What are the Chinese 12k owners using to create a slurry? I've considered buying another, They're pretty cheap at Woodcraft, breaking it up, and selling some on the classiifieds. I've heard some folks use the DMT D8C.
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What are the Chinese 12k owners using to create a slurry? I've considered buying another, They're pretty cheap at Woodcraft, breaking it up, and selling some on the classiifieds. I've heard some folks use the DMT D8C.
Chris L already cut up some Chi 12Ks and sold slurry stones in the classifieds. He may have one left ? A little DMT fine knife sharpening plate is handy for that too.
I think they're all gone, but Thanks....
What was he asking for them anyway?
I don't often use slurry when I hone on my chinese 12k, but when I bought mine from Woodcraft, I picked up a nagura stone as well...just in case ;)
It ran me $11.99+ tax.
ChrisL was selling them for $8, shipping included. That's about as decent as you can hope for. I bought one of the hones he cut lengthwise into four narrow hones with accompanying slurry stones. It works great. I really like it both for using slurry on the hone and simply for resurfacing the hone.
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Originally Posted by clehman67
How's that working for you?
I have DMT Dia-Sharp diamond plate (45 micron/325 grit/Coarse) which I use for lapping my waterstones. It produces a nice slurry on my Woodcraft Chinese 12,000 waterstone. Interesting note here – while looking my stone up to find the grit equivalent, I see that DMT produces a Extra-Extra Coarse diamond (XX) - (120 micron / 120 mesh) for extreme removal of material and edge repair. They are well suited for flattening conventional and water stones such as those made by King and Norton. Using grits finer than this to flatten waterstones may damage the plate and is not covered by warranty. (description and warranty info cut and paste from DMT.)
I did not know that. Most use the DMT D8C for Lapping their Chinese 12k. Maybe I should get the XX? I considered using the D8C for a slurry, but thought it may produce to coarse an edge, maybe wet sand 1000 grit afterwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kahunamoose
I also have a DMT Dia-Sharp in Fine,25 micron 600 grit. I don’t bring up slurry with it since if I am at that point, I want it fast. On the other hand, my 325 Coarse sometimes makes me feel that maybe I am being too aggressive, even hurting my waterstones if I am not real careful, maybe pressuring an edge or end and not knowing it. I’d stay away from a more aggressive plate like the XX 120. Also, the 325 coarse is fabulous for quickly sharpening knives, and it is my weapon of choice if I get a straight razor that needs to have the whole edge removed/flattened/straightened – Breadknifing is what I have just seen on this site. It does it fast and clean. I figured I would be crucified for saying I did such a thing to a blade, but in the right circumstances it breathes new life into lost causes. My point is, the 325 grit Coarse is a very versatile toy to have at your disposal.
Another afterthought – this site has DMT on sale for 25% off. I don’t know for sure if that is a great price but it is a place to start if you are shopping.
http://www.craftsmanstudio.com/html_p/T!D8.htm
Using a slurry on the CH12K makes for great touchups. I was using a DMT but I lucked out and got one of the ones that ChrisL cut up and it works great.
I'm gonna break down, buy another 12k, an 8x2. There 20 bucks, borrow my friends wet saw and cut 8 slurry stones.
Where on woodcraft.com are you finding these 12k stones? I have looked and looked but have not been able to locate it.
Thanks,
Ed M
Here you go, Ed.
CHINESE 12K
Chris L
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Originally Posted by FastEdge
I know, it doesn't say "Chinese 12k" on it, Just Natural, Even on the box, when you buy it, I believe it say's made in Japan...
I've purchased 4 of them from Woodcraft and all of them come in a cardboard box stating they are made in China and indicate the province they're mined in. I think you'd be hard pressed to buy that type of stone for that price if it was mined anywhere else.
Chris L
The Chinese 12k does say on the box from the Guangxi province. I have to look at my box again. I'm at work now, I thought, and could be mistaken that it said something on there about Japan which totally confused me. I even brought it to the attention of the salesman at the store before I bought it. I relize of course the Japanese water stones are more expensive. The stone in the box is most definitely the Chinese. I'll take another look and repost.
There is a white bar code sticker on the box, from woodcraft. It does say "252 Japanese/Water Sto $34.99 then it has a bar code and WSC 144950 Nat Waterstone 8x2.75x1.25. That's what I was talking about. I asked the Salesman before I checed out, and opened the box. Too bad there wasn't a more expensive Japanese in there. I can break out the camera and post pics if anyone would like to see my Chinese/Japanese 12k.
Tip: Make sure when you buy a stone locally,to open the box and physically look inside before you leave the store. This way you can check for cracks, nicks, etc, and make sure you have the right stone. If your like me, you don't want to make a second trip.
The more that I use the slurry stone on my CH12K, the more I like it. I touched up two more razors using the slurry, then just water, then dry and the final finish is incredible and shaves great.
I think you've described the perfect combo for the 12k, Kelbro. I'm glad to hear the edges are working well for you!:tu
Chris L
Zib,
Ignore the wite sticker. That's just something that woodcraft has put on there. I'm assuming that they are so used to calling any type of waterstone a "japanese" waterstone that it just went on there because of typical nomenclature.
I bet you could walk in to a Woodcraft store and ask for Norton Japanese Waterstones, and the guy wouldn't hesitate walking you right over to the Nortons. Which, aren't made in Japan. They'd probably balk if you asked them for the mexican waterstones :)
Guangxi is a province of Cihina. Just go to wikipedia and search for Guangxi; it'll tell you all about it.
Good Day,
Has anyone tried using the Norton prep stone on the Chinese 12K?
Thanks Ben,
I figured as much. I opened the box and looked before I bought it. I could tell right away that the salesman knew little or nothing about stones. Rich
I'm curious about that myself. The only thing is, I believe it's for the 8k, so it may actually be counter productive.
Keep an eye on the classifieds. I'm going to buy another and cut it with the wet saw. I'll have about 7 c12k slurry stones to sell.
I have read that the Norton flattening stone would not make a dent in the CH12K. It could possibly damage the Norton. The CH12K will really wear a DMT down too.
Just an FYI, the slurry stones that Chris made were lapped and the edges were rounded on one side. He didn't just chop the stones up and shipthe pieces out.
I will definitely try and pick up one of the chopped up CH12K slurry/prep stones when they appear in the Classifieds.
I am new to the CH12K, and so far am really enjoying the results. It has truly kicked things up a notch. Next up, I will add the 0.5 diamond pasted strop between CH12K and CrO2 parts of my honing routine and see if I get even better results.
When you do it, Zib, as Kelbro mentioned, I would suggest lapping the slurry stones and rounding the edges and corners. The pic below gives a pretty good idea of how I prepared the stones prior to shipping each one of them out:
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I actually ended up rounding the actual corners more than what you see in the picture; I found in testing the slurry stones that unless the corners were rounded nicely, the corners could dig into the stone which was not cool.
I hope that helps.
Chris L
Thanks Chris, I appreciate it. That makes sense about the corners digging in. My buddy, (the one with the wet saw), just had hip replacement surgery, He's not even 50 yet, but was a contractor his whole life. It really took a toll on his body.
I'm thinking a week or two and I'll give it a shot. I may pm you. if you don't mind, if I have a question. Thanks Rich
