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Hmmm thanks Sam, :thinking: nice label, anyone have a pic of the elusive Turkey stone or info on performance. Inquiring Haddicts want to know ? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
i need the site name again.Sorry don't have a good memory
Elusive it is. I have never see one, just a small sample.
I've never seen one either. But, I'm working through the 494 page nineteenth century report of Novaculites JCitron graciously posted HERE.
Paraphrasing from pages 58-59 of the document regarding the Turkey stone:
- Particles around .01".
- Silica for a cutting abrasive
- Particle size between the U.S. origin and once popular Hindostan whetstone and the Arkansas.
- "though not so fine as the Arkansas...." The text at least on that page does not specify which Arkansas stone the text refers to (black, translucent, etc).
I'm more fascinated by some of the U.S. stones listed in this report. There were about ten states that produced whetstones. The closest state to me, Michigan possesses a stone that was purported to be capable of putting a fine edge on razors (page 31 of this document): "The novaculite however, of Carp River, is superior to any article which has fallen under our notice, not excepting the Arkansas, Turkey or Scotch stone, for producing fineness of edge." "The quality of the stone is said to be excellent." The area they mention is about an 8 hour drive from me. I will be going there someday.
Rhode Island is mentioned in this report to have a stone that was highly regarded.
Fascinating report.
Chris L
Yes Chris, I have perused that myself. Interesting observations on the Belgian coticules and the Thuringan stones too. Somewhere in there if my memory is correct I understood them to say that the abrasive content of the coticule is equal to the Arkansas but the binder is too soft for cutting tools such as chisels or planes.
Lucky for us that the coticules and Thuringans are just right for razors. When they mention these obscure stones like the Turkey among others and talk about how highly regarded they were I get curious to try one. Like any normal person. :shrug:
I really need to stop reading these forums, now I have American Hone Acquisition Disorder to go with my unsated British Hone Acquisition Disorder (you'd think living in England I'd be able to track down some of the more obscure British stones but you'd be wrong.:()
On the subject of US hones, does anyone know about the Orange Stones that are supposed to come from Indiana? There was one on ebay a while ago but the seller wouldn't ship to the UK.:(:(
I've only seen one illustration of a Turkey hone. Is it permissable to post a link to a commercial site? They do provide information specific to the hone but I can't read Turkish.
It is done all the time. Not a problem. Maybe a translation site such as babelfish could be used to read the description if you can copy and paste it. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by beenpickin
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Translation courtesy of Babylon
Turkish with oil the stone (Turkey oilstone): Turkey's south west of Crete on the island is found. The Appearance Of siyahtır. Turkish oil move Novaculit p-75 ratio of the -25 kalsit comprise Crete rocks all the same kalitededir. This features the fat Turkish move the largest value gained. 1200 Gray
This example just looks black in the illustration although I've also read of white examples. I've been curious about what Turkey stones look like because I'm trying to ID a very unusual novaculite hone. Highly figured black with grey and I'm sure very old. Cut at a slight taper and out of square at the ends. Unlike any Arkansas I've seen but then I've only seen a few dozen.
I've been curious about what Turkey stones look like because I'm trying to ID a very unusual novaculite hone. Highly figured black with grey and I'm sure very old. Cut at a slight taper and out of square at the ends. Unlike any Arkansas I've seen but then I've only seen a few dozen.
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Would it be possible to see a photo? I'm always interested in pictures of unusually figured stones.
Kind regards,
Alex
I certainly don't wish to hijack Jimmy's thread but thanks for your interest and certainly, a pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by A_S
The photo had been posted before but without a responce. 7-3/4" x 1-3/4" x 7/8" and I had attempted dressing and it with an India stone and it http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/pickin/MVC-811F.JPGproduced a bit of grey slurry. It is shown whetted to enhance the figure. I have a machinists honing plate and am planning on getting some diamond abrasives before trying to dress it again. I seldom use novaculite/Arkansas hone but do collect and treasure some. It would be a hoot to find it was Turkish but it's probably too hard,fine/glass like.
Sham could probably tell you if it is a turkey stone. I am only curious about them from reading of them in old books on whetstones accessed on google, They say the turkey stone was highly regarded back in the 1800s. Whether or not it would be appropriate for razors is unknown to me. I recall that photo from the 'beautiful hones' thread. Lovely figure in it. No one commented probably because they had no idea what it might be.
if you can make a slurry and take a picture will help.So far i don't think this is Turkey oil stone.
I appreciate the responces,. That is a bit of dried slurry on the paper but it really is not too conductive to slurry production. I'd actually like for you both to see it in person. I've been planning on on posting to 2sharps thread asking for inclusion in the Mid-MO meet. By May I hope to have my Torrey restored and perhaps tried to use it. Thanks, Jeff
Reminds me of when I got a gold filled Hamilton wrist watch as a gift. It was a very pretty dress watch and I was a union ironworker doing steel erection. I wore it to work and smacked it up against a column and busted the crystal out of it the first day I wore it.
I went to an old watchmaker to see about getting it repaired and I said, "Is this a good watch"? He said,"Does it keep good time ? If it keeps good time it is a good watch".
That is the way I feel about hones. Whether I know the name or not it either is a good hone or it ain't. ;)
http://igs.indiana.edu/Survey/projec...try_poster.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by A_S
I see the stones fairly often in flea markets and elsewhere, mostly in southern Indiana.
Very interesting Steven. Undoubtedly you've tried one of these ? Any good for straights ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sticky
Oddly, I have never bought or even used one. The ones I've seen looked a bit rough for razors. The scythe, slip, and pocket types are fairly easy to find around southern Indiana. I'll pick one up the next time I see one.
If you happen to see a 5 or 6 x2 ......:w I'm in the market for one.
Well, I am native turkish speaker. I'll translate for you.:) Where is that site?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenpickin
Here is the correct translation:Quote:
Originally Posted by beenpickin
".. It is found in the Crete island which is on the south-west of Turkey. It looks black. The rate of Novaculite is 70-75% and it contains 20-25% calcite. All the Crete stones have the same qualities, which is the most valuable characteristic of Turkish oil stone..."
Jimmy Turkey oil stone needs to be cut thicker. they are fragile as soon as you drop will shatters.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
So I wonder if it being primarily Novaculite would give it the same characteristics as an Arkansas stone ?
For those who may be late comers to this thread Sham and other hone aficionados read 100 year old books on Google where the Turkey stone is said to be the most highly regarded hone after the Charnley Forest.
Thanks for the info Sham. I have sort of lost interest in getting one. If I happened onto a vintage Turkey oil stone and it lived up to the press of 100 years ago I wouldn't pass it up but I am trying to get to know the stones I already have before adding more to the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
Sham of course is right; this is what happened in transit to a narrow one of mine - and I'm probably lucky it's just a corner:
Attachment 30597
I'm very happy about mine.
It does cut
- into polished surfaces
- hard steels
- very shallow but effective.
Polishing out what it has done is easy with an Arkansas or a finer Thuringian.
Wouldn't want to miss it.
wow great Point +5 on this.your head is working brother.(or maybe mine doesn't work right)Quote:
Originally Posted by 0livia
Very Very fast cutter . makes me confuse how sharp edge gets but still have saw tooth.
Sham it probably also sharp between the teeth.
Like a flint stone arrow head.
i used say sharp level i would say app 6k but i think i am off a litlle..sharpening level should go more then that.i used think if sone makes saw tooth then it should be courser.seems like turkey oil stone proves i am wrong on this. I have to accept my mistake
