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Help me pick my next stone guys !!
current progression is
shapton Pro 1K-> 2K->glass 4k->8k
I'm finishing on either a long Swaty or an Escher
but what about a Naniwa 12K ??
or a 16K glass stone?
is there another synthetic that I need to add?
NEXT?
sorry this is kinda short, but I'm rushing this morning
(feel free to say Jap-nat)
Japanese natural :)
I think hoglahoo is using naniwa 12k -> escher right now after the coticule..
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Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr
Since you are new here I suggest you use the search function and read all the other threads about this same subject:gwh::idea:
Having an escher already I would recommend a synthetic for the sake of variety. Although I haven't tried one myself both Lynn and Utopian speak very highly of the Naniwa line. I like the Shapton pro 15 and everyone seems to like the glass 16. So many hones so little time and $. :)
Yeah, buy the 16,000 and 30,000 Shapton glass stones, the Shapton stone holder and the Shapton DGLP to lap them with. And set them in the Shapton pond. That's my set up, believe me when I say that this package is guaranteed to cure HAD unless you're a millionaire!!! :)
I would go with the Shapton glass 16K because you already have 4 & 8 glass. The reason is that the hardness of the hone will be the same and you will not have to reform the bevel to suit a softer/harder hone.
thanks guys
let me ask this differently
do I need a 12-16k stone?
is there even any point?
You may start out a millionaire before you buy all of the shapton and shapton accessories :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blaireau
Well, are you happy with your shaves? If yes, then there is no point. For a while, I was very happy with the shaves I was getting straight off my coticule. Then I shaved with a few of JoeD's blades that he finished on his C12k and found I was no longer satisfied with my own edges. I went out and got myself a C12k. At the moment I don't feel any need to buy anything else, but that could very well change...Quote:
Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr
Is there the ultimate? Its like a dog chasing his tail. You keep going on that quest to get better and better. For myself I've found I get great shaves off either my Coticule,escher or japanese finisher. I have no desire to seek the ultimate. (at least not for the time being-har har). And if I go out and buy the shapton 30K with lapping plate and holders one of you can come over and kick my butt.
I've only had my hones for less than a week, so take my advice with a grain of salt (and a shot of penicillin)
Personally, I can feel a HUGE difference between the edge off a shapton glass 8k and 16k. The 16k is much smoother.
However, I'm not using any kind of paste. I go straight from my shapton 16k to my SRD web fabric and latigo strop, and then to my face.
Another way to consider things: are you a sharpener or a shaver?
Sharpeners are into it for the shop time; seeking a full knowledge of what the stones do and when they are done. If that's you; more and better hones.
Shavers are all about posing in the mirror, rubbing froth and fat on their faces, and otherwise doddering and freshening up, smelling like a new kind of flower every day: If that's you;
.....sorry I can't finish as I have cracked my self up:rofl2:
yeah well after the Escher or Swaty is there really any point?
yeah...... I think I'll wait a while as I'm adjusting to these new stones
sometimes you start a thread just so people can say what you are already thinking
you know?
So what ever happened to the brick and whipping cream finisher?
:confused:
Heh...you've got a Charnley now...what else could ya possibly need? :tameshigiri:
Mac
Yes there is a point: after you buy the Shapton 16k, you will not need to start another thread like this for a long time!
Shapton 16k :overkill:
They don't like me...
I just got my Shapton 16 and that thing is the bees knees. I did get it through that great sale Jenco industries had, so that might make me a little bit more fond of it b/c it was cheaper, but so far I think its great.
After checking out a grit chart that someone complied I forget who, based on the micron means and stdev's provided by the manufacturers, Shapton's 12k=Japans industry standard (new JIS) 8k. Naniwa uses the new JIS stuff. According to the chart I would fully expect 16k Shapton to be similar to 12k Naniwa. Realistically, at this point you're at if not sub 1 micron, so in theory you could get a little sharper but one more step and you're at the sharpest an edge can be (Glen found somewhere that the sharpest edge that our steel's can hold is around .5 micron). CrO, Diamond paste, or a 30k Shapton will get you to/past this .5 micron point, but I would guess that as far as practicality goes, the 12k Nani or 16 GS is all you REALLY need. Because you can only get such a fine particle and no finer...
After checking out a grit chart that someone complied I forget who, based on the micron means and stdev's provided by the manufacturers, Shapton's 12k=Japans industry standard (new JIS) 8k. Naniwa uses the new JIS stuff. According to the chart I would fully expect 16k Shapton to be similar to 12k Naniwa. Realistically, at this point you're at if not sub 1 micron, so in theory you could get a little sharper but one more step and you're at the sharpest an edge can be (Glen found somewhere that the sharpest edge that our steel's can hold is around .5 micron). CrO, Diamond paste, or a 30k Shapton will get you to/past this .5 micron point, but I would guess that as far as practicality goes, the 12k Nani or 16 GS is all you REALLY need. Because you can only get such a fine particle and no finer...