How things feel wrong to late

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11-21-2013, 11:54 AM
WW243

How things feel wrong to late

So this razor... I believe it will go off in my price range (also called cheap, relatively speaking). I was right on that (almost). but it is funny how much more you see and don't see when you actually win the auction #111214877468. I have already PM'ed one of the forums respected historians and thought I would get some more opinions if there were any. Then I really look at the razor once I have won the bid war. There are several things that simply do not make sense on this razor. Like Where's Waldo, can you find them? I know, it is not recommended that new guys play Ebay, but...come on......It's like saying don't think about a Pink Elephant with a gorilla riding it wearing a cowboy hat, bolo tie, and top hat.
11-21-2013, 12:10 PM
Dimitry

If I take a look at the symbols, I would think it's a Herder...but then again, it doesn't say Solingen or Herder...
11-21-2013, 12:19 PM
WW243

Right and no makers marque.

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Originally Posted by Dimitry

If I take a look at the symbols, I would think it's a Herder...but then again, it doesn't say Solingen or Herder...
11-21-2013, 01:03 PM
Martin103

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Im with Dimitry on this one for sure, 2 trademarks from F. Herder, looks like you did really well!
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11-21-2013, 01:33 PM
WW243

Martin, what do you make of the France/Françoise on the shank?

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Originally Posted by Martin103

Im with Dimitry on this one for sure, 2 trademarks from F. Herder, looks like you did really well!
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11-21-2013, 01:55 PM
RezDog

His razors always look clean but his photography is so weird. The cross keys were there, and it looks ok from the weird perspectives. I have bought from this seller too but have not received my razors yet. As always waiting on the post.
11-21-2013, 02:04 PM
WW243

I have an advantage over you there RezDog....the guy's shop is about 10 miles from where I live.

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Originally Posted by RezDog

His razors always look clean but his photography is so weird. The cross keys were there, and it looks ok from the weird perspectives. I have bought from this seller too but have not received my razors yet. As always waiting on the post.
11-21-2013, 02:08 PM
RezDog

that is a distinct advantage. So the question then is, are the razors very nice and just his photography weird, or is he trying to hide flaws in his weird photos? I am so far off the beaten path that everyone is closer than I am.
11-21-2013, 02:38 PM
Neil Miller

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Originally Posted by WW243

... a Pink Elephant with a gorilla riding it wearing a cowboy hat, bolo tie, and top hat.

Fell off one of those last saturday night/sunday morning. Lost my topper, too. Didn't notice you there, Bill... :)
11-21-2013, 03:53 PM
WW243

Haven't gotten it yet, if I was a praying man I would be praying that I get to the postbox before my ladyfriend as it is supposed to arrive this Saturday but could take until Wednesday. I'll let you know what I see. My nightmare is a Modified Gold Dollar and a Have a Nice Day sticker.

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Originally Posted by RezDog

that is a distinct advantage. So the question then is, are the razors very nice and just his photography weird, or is he trying to hide flaws in his weird photos? I am so far off the beaten path that everyone is closer than I am.
11-21-2013, 03:56 PM
WW243

Wearing more than one hat

Gorilla's can do it, not many other primates can.
11-21-2013, 09:09 PM
Martin103

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Originally Posted by WW243

Martin, what do you make of the France/Françoise on the shank?

Interesting didnt really notice that at first, cant really make out what its written. when you do get it please post what on there im really interested.
11-21-2013, 09:22 PM
WW243

Will do. I'll make a list of everything written on the razor. Something feels kind of funny about this.

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Originally Posted by Martin103

Interesting didnt really notice that at first, cant really make out what its written. when you do get it please post what on there im really interested.
11-23-2013, 08:11 PM
WW243

RezDog, I got the razor today and there is something weird about his photos: the main one is in the photos and more importantly in the description he calls the scales celluloid. I believe they are plastic and there is no color in the scales, only black. So two issues here right off, the scale material and the fact that Solingen is not mentioned anywhere on the shank. See below for what is on the shank.

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Originally Posted by RezDog

that is a distinct advantage. So the question then is, are the razors very nice and just his photography weird, or is he trying to hide flaws in his weird photos? I am so far off the beaten path that everyone is closer than I am.
11-23-2013, 08:30 PM
WW243

Martin, here is what is on the razor, see above for info on the scales: Blade: "SPEZIAL STAHL" Top and bottom BESTE QUALITAT (umlaut over the A) backward quotations for first set, letters in Gold. Shank Gold Lettering side: 77SPEZIAL STAHL
(here a Club sign) BESTE QUALITAT THEN THE CROSSED KEYS
Other side of razor blank blade, on shank in crude stamping what looks like LICENCE
FRANCAISE AND CROSSED KEYS AGAIN
Jimps top and bottom and an interesting design feature on spine: it is mirror polished except for the last centimeter which is matte finished.
The scales are plain and the pinning of the razor is really 3rd rate.

Ok that is about it, sorry I can't offer photographs that would help.

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Originally Posted by Martin103

Interesting didnt really notice that at first, cant really make out what its written. when you do get it please post what on there im really interested.
11-23-2013, 09:04 PM
sharptonn

If it says Licence Francaise, I would think it was made by F. Herder for French market sale.
Nothing seems fishy about the thing. The crossed keys tell the maker. The rest is evident.
11-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Martin103

+1 Totally agree!
11-24-2013, 06:41 AM
ScienceGuy

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Originally Posted by WW243

RezDog, I got the razor today and there is something weird about his photos: the main one is in the photos and more importantly in the description he calls the scales celluloid. I believe they are plastic and there is no color in the scales, only black. So two issues here right off, the scale material and the fact that Solingen is not mentioned anywhere on the shank. See below for what is on the shank.

I wouldn't be concerned about the country stamp. I don't know the exact details of the madrid treaties but they are more complicated than is often assumed. For example, if it is not intended for export, no country stamp was needed. If it is meant for retail in another country specifically (a specific market), I don't know what the rules for that were.

As for the scales, celluloid is a plastic and black is a color, not sure what the issue is there.
11-24-2013, 10:44 AM
WW243

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Attachment 147096The issue was that in the seller's photos you can clearly see a second color in the scales streaks of dark purplelish/brown....So ScienceGuy has lived up to his name and educated me as to celluloid, the mother of all thermoplastics. I guess I'm used to seeing celluloid in varying states of degradation and the scales on the razor look too perfect, like the scales on a new TI. I was also concerned with no reference to the country of origin. I have heard this with the English razors but not the German razors. So end of the melodrama, this morning the thrill of shaving with a new razor for the first time.

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Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

I wouldn't be concerned about the country stamp. I don't know the exact details of the madrid treaties but they are more complicated than is often assumed. For example, if it is not intended for export, no country stamp was needed. If it is meant for retail in another country specifically (a specific market), I don't know what the rules for that were.

As for the scales, celluloid is a plastic and black is a color, not sure what the issue is there.
11-24-2013, 04:00 PM
WW243

Black is a color

ScienceGuy,
Roger that Black is a color. I am weak on my thermoplastics, but I understand the color Black.
11-24-2013, 04:22 PM
10Pups

The color is a reflection off the shiny. Some of my photo's will show a smile in the blade if you look close enough to make it out. I don't mean in the blade either :<0) .