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I just don't know how to take this. The final price is near the same but what do they base the costs on, a roll of the dice?
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I just don't know how to take this. The final price is near the same but what do they base the costs on, a roll of the dice?
Don't torture yourself with the GSP, just find a local source at a welding supply shop, possibly.
Bob
How about this product http://www.besseytools.com/en/produc...23&ASIMOID_MC= and scroll down to Pickering on this page http://www.besseytools.com/en/bessey_distributors.php .
Bob
GSP is a percentage based system, based on the the sale price. They know when there are actually costs involved on their end and then the percentage goes up. So if you examine the percentage after $200 for example, it is higher, because that is when the GST comes into play. They pay it on our behalf and charge us extra for that. Most of the cost is a brokerage fee. If they just send it through and customs catches an applicable tax, they assess a fee and add the tax as well. The penalties from customs is about 1/3 of GSP brokerage fees. GSP's brokerage fees are about 1/2 of what UPS charges. They are all bandits for what charge, some are worse than others. It is a sad racket. Most shippers think all that money goes to pay the Canadian Government. It goes almost exclusively into the pockets of the shipping company.
If possible try to AVOID UPS international shipping. The brokerage fees can be expensive. I work for a courier company and we have to sometimes collect brokerage fees. Some people think they are getting a good deal on an item until the brokerage fees raises it's ugly head. Not such a great afterwards. Taxes on an item are pretty small usually..... Then tack on a nice sized brokerage fee (not a fair practice IMO)
IF possible....use your post office for shipping..... You'll save a lot of money.....Trust me on that!
Yup, I do but everyone just knows how bad the postal systems are, supposedly. :njQuote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Bob
Most of the time Canada Post is predictable, but a little slow. I do not completely understand how an international package lands in Montreal and is delivered by CP in five days, but one mailed from Toronto takes twelve days. Now here is the predictable part, they always take more or less that time frame. I have no idea why the international mail moves faster in the same system. They must load all the international mail into the same bags as priority post. But at the same time postage from London UK is less than Postage from Calgary to me. There are aspects that make me wonder how and where logic could apply.
I can answer that.... Controlled chaos.
Why is it a package from Florida can arrive faster to me in Saskatchewan than from Ohio?
Controlled chaos......lol
Yea, it may be controlled chaos but it somehow usually works and about as reliably as couriers.
Bob
Sooner or later you get your stuff.
Unless it gets lost....... Yikes!
Tracking numbers are so useful....and requirement so your goodies don't get lost.
And some people wonder why that I ,if possible, go down to my local store and pay "joe" 5% more than I can get whatever it is online.
If I can get what I need at a local store.... I'll buy it. But living here in the middle nowhere.... I'm a little bit limited on speciality items.Quote:
Originally Posted by 32t
From my perspective you are not in the middle of nowhere, I am 90 miles past the end of the highway, with a ferry that only sails twice a week, weather dependent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Ummmm....... You got me beat.......Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
I'm in Yorkton, SK...... Behind the "Garlic Curtain".
LOL
A population of 15,669 is not the middle of nowhere! :D
[Just having fun.]
I see I was 3 minutes slow......
:rofl2:
Well living here in Yorkton, SK verses living just 3 minutes south of Charlotte, NC (where I used to live).....
I feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere.
I know where you are, my father was from a crossroads north of there called Swan Plain, I have family all around that area and have been there many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Yes, and it has one of the slowest Tim Hortons I have had the pleasure of using. Mind you there is nothing wrong with cabbage rolls and perogies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
Bob
Small world after all...... You should come out this way some time and teach me all your honing secrets.......;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
Our Timmies isn't that slow..... Well maybe it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
We actually have 2 of them now...... Hahahaha
The Big metropolis we are now...... :rofl2:
I agree ....nothing wrong with cabbage rolls and perogies.
Being a west coast raised guy, Timmies just won't cut it for me, it's Starbucks for me. Now the cabbage rolls and perigees in the old country are pretty tasty for sure. I might roll out that way some day, but Seattle has a September meet, it's not too far for you to drive. Think of the adventure!Quote:
Originally Posted by Willisf
September....when?
I'm not a big coffee drinker. When I moved up here 11+ years ago.... I couldn't believe my eyes on the line up at Timmies. And it didn't matter the time of day either. Coffee Crazy Nutty people.....lol
What you say is a more detailed explanation of what I assumed they would claim to be doing, despite there being no duty or taxes and therefore no brokerage needed on small items under $200, they just pass the border as any other piece of mail. Do you think a foreign company can collect and pay GST? I don't, what is their GST number? I'm just guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
What I wanted to point out was the shipping costs being much more (about triple) for the identical item that costs less.
Their shipping costs are really steep, and really slow. They make Canada Post look blindingly fast. If we want to compare the combined CP and USPS system for a moment and compare that to whatever GPS does, it will take a similar parcel form a similar location in the US an extra ten days to get to me at more than double the cost. I don't understand the how and why of it. The shipping costs are often not all the same either for similar items, before the silly brokerage fees. For most of what we are buying it is like saying I will charge you 26% (just a number I have not calculated it) to fill out the customs declaration form. I will then send your package to my buddy in Toronto, who has a small courier company and he will send it to his office in the US, where it will get mailed to you via USPS. For that little exchange we will charge triple what the postal system will do. The whole business plan makes no sense to me. My solution is to not buy from people using the GSP. If I see an item with GSP what it tells me is that they are trying to say they don't want to ship that item out of the US, but if you really want it, we have an outrageous levy against it.
And I do think that if GST were applicable they would just pay it to CBS, similar to if when you travel to the US you pay GST when applicable on declared items. For big ticket items you can fill out the paper work in advance. 2008 and 2009 I had a friend who was importing RV's into Canada. He would have all his paper work filed before he left Canada to go pick it up. Apparently it is not much paperwork and pretty simple to do, he liked it to filling out a declaration form, similar to the ones we fill out when we are coming home from the US.
I've seen some UPS brokerage costs being insane.
One gal ordered something from the USA and it cost her $20 to purchase plus shipping.
UPS charged her $42.00 brokerage plus the...... So she ended up paying over $45 in addition to what she paid the company she bought the item from.
Needless to say....she refused it..... A few weeks later she got the package sent back to her and the fees were waived by UPS.
The brokerage fees, not the taxes is what is killing a good deal from other countries. UPS has some of the highest brokerage fees around.
They sometimes assess the value of something according to their own "guidelines"....... Not a fair practice.
I picked up a catalogue from restoration hardware in Vancouver. They had a great chandelier in it. It was a little pricey, but I thought it would go well with my kitchen renovation. When it arrived, it had been shipped from the US by UPS. The brokerage fees were equal to the value of the chandelier, plus the GST. It arrived and they had put all the charges through on my visa and I was in a tough spot. Short answer, always ready the fine print.
I bet you had a few choice words to say also!Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
It is a beautiful light fixture but the end price still makes me raise a brow. I can laugh about it now, but yes there was some choice words. NEVER ship UPS. I had a second bad experience with them that was shipped that way not to my knowledge. They are just a dirty company as far as I can see.
LOL, they make GSP look inviting!
