Its now costing Even MORE!

As of now, Ebay is collecting sales tax on purchases.

I dont know if its for EVERY state, but here in NY at least, that tax is on the total INCLUDING SHIPPING.
I dont know how the hell its legal to tax shipping charges, but I have seen it in other states as well, on the standard retail sales, I think NJ does that too.
Just one more way they are keeping the poor poor, and themselves well fed
ANyway... if you are bidding on stuff, just keep in mind that you will have to pay that much more at the end of auction.

It’s been happening in Canada for a while. Canadian sellers are supposed to charge Canadian buyers sales tax. Many have not in the past, but the revenue folks are now cracking down on them. Don’t know how it translates to sales crossing the border.

The Australian government has been collecting GST from overseas sellers for a while also. Pretty clever to make someone in another country your tax collector :(

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It’s been happening in Canada for a while. Canadian sellers are supposed to charge Canadian buyers sales tax. Many have not in the past, but the revenue folks are now cracking down on them. Don’t know how it translates to sales crossing the border.

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Yes, that has been happening more frequently of late. When you buy outside Canada CBSA (Canada Customs) may bill you for the Provincial and Federal sales tax when it enters Canada, That is along with any other applicable Tariffs and Duties owing. That has been hit or miss and I guess if the value of the imported goods is less than a certain amount the CBSA do not feel collecting the amount owed is worth the paper work effort to get it. That is only a guess though.

Any sale tax in the country of origin is not charged by the seller as the goods are exported and not sold into the sellers country. So, if you buy from an EU country that country's Value Added Tax (VAT) is not charged to the buyer. It gets confusing because normally the VAT is included in the listed price not added after as is the practice here.

Yea, it's a right mess.

Bob

Here in Illinois, the state has a Use Tax. If you purchase something from another state for use in Illinois, you are supposed to pay Illinois sales tax on the item. If the other state charges sales tax, then you can reduce the amount you owe Illinois by that amount. Since keeping track of every item purchased from out of state is a hassle, I normally just pay an amount estimated using a percentage of my total income.

New York taxes us on everything, and taxes us hard. Its a tough state to want to stay in, but I cant retire from my job yet.

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New York taxes us on everything, and taxes us hard. Its a tough state to want to stay in, but I cant retire from my job yet.

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I'm self employed I Cant Retire....ever!

Just one of the reasons I quit 99% of my eBay activity.........

Interesting. I am in Minnesota and just won a razor from NH and some cotis from Maine but so far no tax. I do however have to pay sales tax on Etsy since December, items from NY and Arizona.
Overall bad news, this means taxes on eBay will be here soon.

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New York taxes us on everything, and taxes us hard. Its a tough state to want to stay in, but I cant retire from my job yet.

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I'm in the same boat, but I am already planning my escape. Just five more years and I can retire out of state. It is a shame, really, since the Adirondacks are beautiful.

You think tax on eBay is bad.
Here in the People’s Socialist Republic of Maryland.
Rat Bastard Gov. Martin O’maley signed a “Rain Tax” into law.
It’s since been repealed.
Sad

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As of now, Ebay is collecting sales tax on purchases.

I dont know if its for EVERY state, but here in NY at least, that tax is on the total INCLUDING SHIPPING.
I dont know how the hell its legal to tax shipping charges, but I have seen it in other states as well, on the standard retail sales, I think NJ does that too. .

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Actually, it is not only legal but mandatory. At least in Europe.
Shipping is a service that is provided by the seller, for which you pay them.
As such, it is subject to sales tax or VAT, whichever is used in your tax location.

The only logic I would agree on is that if you charge the official shipping rate one should not be taxed on the shipping charge as the post office is already paying taxes on it but any amount that you tack on should be taxed as that would be considered profit. Same with any shipping and handling fees. In NV we don't charge sales tax on the shipping charge. In the end I don't make the rules, i just follow them as getting audited is a headache and I like to sleep with a good conscience.

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Actually, it is not only legal but mandatory. At least in Europe.
Shipping is a service that is provided by the seller, for which you pay them.
As such, it is subject to sales tax or VAT, whichever is used in your tax location.

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I disagree with the line of thought that shipping is service provided by the seller. No, its a service provided by the Post Office, or UPS. I dont make any money on their shipping, THEY do.
So now we have Ebay charging fees on the shipping charge, and PayPal charging fees on the shipping charge, and the Govt, charging fees on the shipping charge... I also disagree that we should pay sales tax on ANY ITEM. sold used. When it was new, it was taxed. I am not a store, I am not a business, this is a private transaction between private parties, why should it be taxed yet again? I have always disagreed with the practice, and just because "thats how it is" does not mean I have to accept it, and will always advocate for how it "should be"

Here when you buy a used motor vehicle they tax you on the supposed value of it.

If I caught you at a weak moment and you sold me your truck for $5,000 but the estimated value of that truck was $15,000 I would get taxed at the $15,000 rate to transfer the title.......

The government would love us to go to a cashless society. If I give my neighborhood kid $20 to mow my grass they don't know. If I paid him with paypal.....:rofl2:

When I bought my '97 Harley it was from a guy in the next state (Idaho). He had trailered it about 200 miles for me to look at (he's a mechanic who works on semi trucks and he needed to come down anyway to get some parts).

Anyway I paid $8500 for it and he wrote a bill of sale for $8500. When I went to get the license at the court house they looked up the value and it was listed as $10,500 but since I had the bill of sale I only paid sales tax on the $8500 but it was still a bunch of money.

After we'd exchanged funds and title he started to take the licencse plate off and I asked 'Why'--it seems that in Idaho that you keep your plate and can use it for another vehicle until the plate expires or something like that.

I told him that 'IF' any kind of law enforcement saw that I didn't have a plate I'd get stopped and then have to go through the hassle of trying to explain and Hope that I didn't get a ticket.

So he left the plate on, the registration in the pouch and once I got the title in my name (the next day) I mailed him everything.

What's interesting is that he didn't want to part with the bike---his wife was insisting since they'd bought a brand new car--things like this make me thankful that I don't have a SWMBO :angel::rofl2::roflmao:tu

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When I bought my '97 Harley it was from a guy in the next state (Idaho). He had trailered it about 200 miles for me to look at (he's a mechanic who works on semi trucks and he needed to come down anyway to get some parts).

Anyway I paid $8500 for it and he wrote a bill of sale for $8500. When I went to get the license at the court house they looked up the value and it was listed as $10,500 but since I had the bill of sale I only paid sales tax on the $8500

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Once, the DMV tried to stick me with the higher value too, I told them in no uncertain terms, the value in the book is based on condition, and this van has a bad transmission. (it didnt, but they have no way to prove that) Saved myself like 200 bucks

Sales tax is nothing compared to VAT. Everything worth more than approx USD 25 (and that includes the cost of shipping) that enters the EU from outside of the EU is charged with VAT. VAT in the Netherlands is 21%. The postal services collect the tax and charge a few percent as well so that makes it about 25% on top of what you paid for the item.

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Once, the DMV tried to stick me with the higher value too, I told them in no uncertain terms, the value in the book is based on condition, and this van has a bad transmission. (it didnt, but they have no way to prove that) Saved myself like 200 bucks

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Magpie,
I've been trying daily since 6/6 to PM you. Please make some room in your mailbox.

Agreed. If people arent aware of how amazing the Adirondacks are, they would be shocked to know it was New York. Lake George is an absolute gem. I have twelve years left as a teacher and then I think that I will head south. I never have learned to like the cold. My kids were born here, so they dont mind, but I have this southern blood I guess.

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The only logic I would agree on is that if you charge the official shipping rate one should not be taxed on the shipping charge as the post office is already paying taxes on it but any amount that you tack on should be taxed as that would be considered profit. Same with any shipping and handling fees. In NV we don't charge sales tax on the shipping charge. In the end I don't make the rules, i just follow them as getting audited is a headache and I like to sleep with a good conscience.

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Amen to that. As a business owner, I fully expect to be audited sooner or later, and things like this are a good way to get hefty fines.

Btw it depends on state law of course. In Europe we have VAT as you know so it is passed on through the chain to the final customer. That is very similar to you paying sales tax on the amount you tack on to shipping charge (if applicable). The end result of sales tax and shipping tax are very similar. The way I understood it, it is a different way of doing things.

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I disagree with the line of thought that shipping is service provided by the seller. No, its a service provided by the Post Office, or UPS. I dont make any money on their shipping, THEY do.
So now we have Ebay charging fees on the shipping charge, and PayPal charging fees on the shipping charge, and the Govt, charging fees on the shipping charge...

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Well, that is one line of thought. In reality when a business is audited, the auditor works with what the law says, not with what the customer thinks.

In our example here, the seller is the one providing the service because HE is the one that the customer is dealing with. If the customer had a private contract with the shipping agency and arranged for pickup himself, then it would be true what you say. But if I ship something to you, then I am the one providing that service to you.

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I also disagree that we should pay sales tax on ANY ITEM. sold used. When it was new, it was taxed. I am not a store, I am not a business, this is a private transaction between private parties, why should it be taxed yet again?

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Because you derive income from it. Which you are supposed to declare :)

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I have always disagreed with the practice, and just because "thats how it is" does not mean I have to accept it, and will always advocate for how it "should be"

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It is fine to advocate 'what should be'. But any company or businessman you ever deal with will have to comply with 'what is' because they are the ones getting the visit from the auditors. And they don't want to incurr hefty fines just because the customer thinks that tax law is wrong and shouldn't apply to them.

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Sales tax is nothing compared to VAT. Everything worth more than approx USD 25 (and that includes the cost of shipping) that enters the EU from outside of the EU is charged with VAT. VAT in the Netherlands is 21%. The postal services collect the tax and charge a few percent as well so that makes it about 25% on top of what you paid for the item.

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Actually, I think this does not apply to stuff coming from China and Japan because they have agreements in place. It's mainly from the USA that this happens. and you are right that it is a crap shoot.
Whatever is applied is subject to whoever assesses it, but I have had packages from USAKnifemaker that ended up being 50% more expensive than the cost, because I had to pay import, VAT, and a default handling fee.

In the Netherlands VAT is levied on everything imported from outside of the EU, China and Japan are no exceptions.

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Because you derive income from it. Which you are supposed to declare :)

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Being a private party I cannot right off depreciation etc. like a business.

If I sell something for 50% of what I paid for it which was taxed originally.

I have lost money not derived an income from the sale.

It's not ebay who wanted this. You have to read up on all the articles which led us here. It's very messed up. I don't think this is anywhere near over fwiw.

In our state it is particularly galling knowing how corrupt albany is. It's going to be a cash grab for their buddies complete with kickbacks while these new internet tax dollars do nothing to revitalize regions or build infrastructure.

Seriously though, how this is legal I will never know...

Good Afternoon Gentlemen :)

I couldn't help but notice this thread on shipping. My own personal complaint is the amount of shipping charged by my suppliers now, with some charging as much as 70% of the actual cost of the raw material ordered. It's crazy!!!! But the average is about 45% - 50%....which is still incredibly expensive.

Obviously some of these vendors are padding their shipping costs, and I still remember the day the accountant asked me, "how much are you padding your costs?" lol....I was like, uhhh I don't know what you mean. And she said, "you have to pay tax on that", to which I replied, "I don't do that". So it's true, that sometimes I have to eat the cost of shipping for a customer but I'd rather do that, than the other way around.

As far as charging tax on sales. I'm only obligated to charge sales tax to a resident of my state, not to any other person. This would change however, if I started selling my wares on Amazon and had items located in one of their warehouses, siting I now have "nexus" in another state, which is silly, so that's a factor I'll have to consider in the future.

Here's a link that might be helpful to some regarding sales for a small business......you don't have to charge sales tax if your sales are under $100,000 and/or fewer than 200 transactions in the previous calendar year. Everybody else is gonna have to pony up.

https://www.salestaxinstitute.com/sa...internet_sales

Cheers,
Colleen

I think the taxes on shipping have been there for quite some time. I remember checking few years ago how it works and the law (in NY) was that the tax is on the full amount plus shipping. It doesn't make logical sense from a fairness POV because the same service (shipping) is sometimes taxed and sometimes not (and when taxed is taxed at different rates) depending on the content inside the box. It shouldn't matter if the shipping box has clothing, or razors, or books, or food - the service is the same and it should be taxed the same, while the inside is different and it can be taxed differently.
However, I think due to abuse the gov. has made it easy for themselves and in order to prevent sales of 1c items with $1000 shipping they've made the law that the tax applies to the full cost, including the shipping. This is what happened on ebay years ago when their final value sale fees (the analogue to tax) applied only to the item cost and not the shipping charges. Back then many sellers reduced or avoided their fees by reducing the item costs and inflating the shipping. It was aganist the ebay rules, but from the POV of ebay the cost of enforcing those rules were too big so they updated the rules to benefit them doubly (reduced enforcement costs and increased revenue).

As far as charging sales tax, I just bought a $12 item with $8 shipping (flat rate envelope) on ebay from a seller in TN sending it to a friend in CT and got charged an additional 6.35% sales tax for CT. It wasn't done by the seller but by ebay. My paypal account shows two transactions - one for $20 to the seller and another $1.27 to ebay Inc. Presumably ebay will hand over the $1.27 to CT.

I suppose when you're a big entity like Amazon and Ebay the states would go after you to make you a tax collector. I'm sure ebay would rather not do this as it, no doubt, depresses use of their platform and thus their revenue and profit but at the end of the day the government wins.
I believe we're supposed to pay local taxes on stuff we buy from out of state, so in theory one should keep track of their out-of-state purchases through the year and pay taxes on those. I am pretty sure almost no one does, so the government can't really enforce it. The only thing they can do is what they do now - go after the biggest chunks of money they can get by forcing the biggest platforms to collect the tax.

I'm sure that individual people can still transact privately the old way outside of the tax-collecting platforms if they so choose.

As any business owner can tell you, when you collect sales tax for the state, you get a small bit of that money back from the state (if you pay it in a timely fashion) as your fee for being an "agent" of the state.
While Ebay may state publicly that they didnt want to be a tax collector, if you think for one moment they are saddened, or burdened by being able to automatically take our money, and then keep some of it when they send the payments to the govt, you are smoking the kind of crack that made the 80s famous.
And its my belief, that Ebay is also responsible for the tax on shipping, brought about when people in an attempt to get around ebay fees, would charge .99 for an item, and $200 for shipping charges. So they implemented the fees include shipping charges policy. It just spread from there...

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you are smoking the kind of crack that made the 80s famous.

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"I'll tell you Saturday. I need visual aids." :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwkb5o3Jh6M