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Ok I just feel like I dont trust this seller. In his description he said that the tang stamp is almost completely worn off, it looks like a light / mis-stamp by W&B
Is it possible it looks like that because he or someone else sanded it off ? He has over 400 pos feedbacks and I could be reading into it to deep.
Wade & Butcher Sheffield 6/8 Cut Throat Straight Razor - eBay (item 110361570784 end time Mar-15-09 18:43:36 PDT)
He is one of us and it does say wade and butcher
I am not sure I understand your issue
You can ask him, but I don't think he's knowledgeble enough to tell a misstamp or a regrind :)
He's very new to straight razors as well.
I dont actually have an issue, It's just that the description said the stamp is almost completely "worn off, it looks like a light / mis-stamp" by W&B
So Im wondering if it is really a light mis-stamp and worn ? Or did it get "Worn" from sanding , because it does look pretty shiney for a 150 or more year old razor.
Someone like me with no experience with buying old razors , might buy this knowing it's old and worn, but If I thought the stamp got light from sanding It might not be as desireable to me.
Well after looking at some of his other items, he does say that one of his razors had to much pitting for him to sand out, so that actually answers my question.
What wore off is "Manufactured by," which is normally above "Wade & Butcher" on the tang. I think what you are being skeptical of is the guy's diligent full disclosure. The Wade & Butcher line is distinct so the fact that the guy knew that it should say Manufactured by above it indicates that he knows what he is talking about. When any razor seller seems to know what he is talking about, that is a big plus. When the seller shows multiple photos that fully disclose the condition of the razor, that is a huge plus. When you add both together, you should be happy and confident in your bid!
I think you are reading into it way too deep!
Mike, this is a picture of an ebay razor I got. W&B 5/8 wedge, no hone wear, in fact, I was the first to use it and it is at least 90 years and at most 110 years old. As you can see, it is possible to get an old razor in great condition without sanding:
If you want razor in original condition you want much better pictures than these, something with a white background reflected into the blade, like Max's photographs for example.
And you probably want to purchase it from one of the guys with big collections and lots of years into it. I guess on ebay that would be phdew32 and rebel_razor.
Outside ebay perhaps Bill Ellis or our own oldblades may have something for you.
Guys like altima55@ebay provide mostly restored razors.
I think most sellers who seem to care would be fairly honest with you and should at least tell you what they have done to a razor. Whether they can tell what was done to a razor before they got it is a lot harder and I guess in some cases may be even impossible.
JMS , I see your point. I read on another of his razors that he said he could not sand out all the pitting, So my first thought was that he cleaned all his razors up for them to look that good, and I wondered if the name wore off from the cleaning process or if it wore from usage ? I guess I can just ask him . It makes a difference to me as a buyer if something is worn from being old and used as opposed to being worn from a sander or grinder.
Mike, did I happen to mention that that blade was in its original factory sealed coffin?:w
Or that I spent over 130 for a blade I couldnt even see?:w:D
Looks like it was worth it!Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
gugi thanks for that info. I dont want to learn the hard way , what not to buy . I will look for those sellers you suggested. I already bought a few that looked great in pics but were not as nice when I recieved them. Speaking of Max, I cant wait to see what he does with what I sent him.
JMS that is beauty, I would have no problem buying something without seeing it if i knew the seller. I have done that many times with old guns. I have looked at stuff half as nice as what you show for a lot more money.
You should trust your feelings on ebay. But personally, if it was on my side of the pond, I'd bid on that even if it didn't say Wade & Butcher anywhere. Apart from the odd scuff marks on the scales it looks great, well worth the current $26 bid IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike257
Hey guys! you found one of my auctions....
Yes, I'm fairly new to straight razors.
You can find me in chat if you wanna talk to me about it... I can send you "before" pics of this razor.. it wasnt too bad when I got it, I just cleaned up a bit of surface stains and whatnot.
I sanded it a bit with 400 and 600, and then polished. I didn't remove any more of the stamp than was already gone when I got it.
Thanks for criticism in this thread though, because yes, I am working to better my pictures. And yes, I need to start saying "I RESTORED THIS" in my auctions.
Thanks,
Brad (undream22)
Good luck bidding on this nice razor now that it's on everyone's radar! ;)
meh, I'll just post the "before" pic... :rolleyes:
http://www.dreamlash.com/pics/before.jpg
I have a different view. I think the razor looks good to me and I appreciate full disclosure. The simple fact alone that he clarifies that the razor is "not shave ready" to me means that he has a strong understanding of what he is selling.
I have a hard time convincing skeptics but most people selling razors on Ebay have no clue that you are even considering actually being crazy enough to shave with what they are selling. The whole idea is so silly that they sell them from a completely different perspective.
Sort of like buying an antique knife and asking if you can cut bread with it.
And there you have it! It was a light/mistamp, and it probably got worn off just a bit more from the sanding/cleanup.
I think most of you guys didn't get Mike's question...
Was it worn off due to a LOT of use?
OR
Was the razor hardly/moderately used and it wore off because it was a light stamp and/or due to the cleanup?
Very legitimate question if you ask me. :)
Spot on sir. Even asking for clear and detailed pictures of a blade (yes, blade, not handles, blade please, I said BLADE, not box with handles, BLADEBLADEBLADEBLADE, STOP SHOWING ME A GENERAL PICTURE OF ALL THE RAZORS TOGETHER) and the exact condition of the edge (in perfect order apart from some rust, sir...really ? even when on your blurry overview picture i can spot a piece missing right under that barbers notch, even though it's too dark, blurred and quite small ?) is too difficult for ignorant people. The best way to get the point across would be to go by their house, point at the blade and go: that's the blade, this is a crack, those are three chips missing, and that's actually NOT the original box, as you can see from the stamp on the tang.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFDavis11
Frustrations...
*skives off and drinks some Cava*
You hit the nail right on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quick
Brad I appreciate the response, I should have just emailed you and asked you, that was a mistake on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undream
Mike, I don't mind at all.
I've still got lots to learn, and threads like these help a lot for those of us dabbling in the straight razor buying/selling .. Although it was a bit of a surprise to find my auction on a thread like this :) hehe.
I'm not claiming to know everything about straights quite yet... but I do hope that I'm providing better descriptions in my auctions than most sellers do.
Hopefully over time I will improve to the standards that you collectors demand ;)
Thanks!
-Brad
PS -- thanks for the publicity.. something tells me you've driven up the bid..... lol
Hey Mike,
That's a nice W&B. I know another seller that may know this one if your worried, I can ask him about it
I didn't realize he's a member, That's a big plus....
Brad, I see the price is slowly going up, thats great for you, but sucks for me because I still have it on my watch list.
Zib, it's all cool. I got my answer from Brad and it's still on my watch list
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Originally Posted by zib
What a beauty...