is label original?
ANTIQUE QUALITY GERMAN STRAIGHT RAZOR HONE!ULTRA FINE!! - eBay (item 110537027281 end time May-30-10 09:18:53 PDT)
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Interesting, one I've never seen before.
Has the exact same verbage as my escher..
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I Agree exact words i wish we could see your escher's stamp. i think it has different picture in the middle.
What makes me worry is condition of the label. Most labels as yours looks like old but that one is seems like very nice condition.
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i wonder
I have two that are for sure vintage and pristine mint. The more familiar labels but pristine in their boxes nonetheless.
just buy it, you know you want to, plus nobody hones on the label
This label is new to me too. The wording is familiar (it occurs, sometimes with slight variations, on all sorts of labels by Escher as well as other brands) but the picture is unlike any other I've seen so far. The pictures on Escher labels come in three varieties:
1) an escutcheon with a E&Co on a goblet above two crossed hammers. This is what would have been in the centre of Undream's logo.
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2) a picture of two gentlemen, one honing a razor, the other holding up a razor.
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3) a picture of a barber shop with a customer about to be shaved.
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I think I must be missing something ... if the label doesn't say Escher, then it isn't an Escher. That label doesn't say Escher, the listing doesn't say its an Escher. It may be equivalent to the type of thuringian stone that Escher & Co used, but that doesn't make it an Escher - Escher is a trademarked name, not a type of honing slate.
The only isue I can see is whether the label is genuine or not ... or am I going wrong somewhere?
Regards,
Neil
I don't think anyone was saying its an escher, I was merely pointing out that the same exact phrases appear on eschers, therefore it is likely a similar quality stone, possibly mined and sold to a different company who distributed them.
Oldengaerde was further showing that it likely was not an escher based on the fact that the picture does not match known escher logos.
That is interesting. I would bet having the stone in hand that it would be easy to tell whether it was a fake label if viewed under modest magnification. Laser printing for sure would be easy to spot.
This is just my opinion not being an Escher expert, but I considered the labeled dark blue I had to be fine, but ultra fine........semantics I guess.
Chris L
Thanks Brad, I do appreciate that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undream
Clearly it is not an Escher, otherwise it would have said so on the label instead of 'Made In Germany' so a comparison of Escher marks is not necessary. It probably is a slate from a similar or even the exact same strata that Escher & Co cut theirs from - geological strata/deposits/layers do tend to be quite huge, after all! The name of the company that quarried it, cut it up and marketed it doesn't really matter IMO - how the product hones is, though.
The way I read Sham's query was as to whether the label was original as it is in such good condition. It does appear to be in excellent condition. I agree with ChrisL that you would have to examine the actual label to see if it is a modern reproduction - you don't have to be an Escher expert to do that.
Regards,
Neil
NeilQuote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
what i said is The label was the first one i have seen in such condition and print form. words are exactly same but picture in the middle different.
Now i don't know how someone can examine the label without owning the stone?
in fact i do think that label is strange one. doesn't look like factory made. Seems like someone just made that label by using some computer software or something else.
quality etc no one knows until put the blade on it and test it.
hope this clears up some confusion.
Taking another look at the label I'm wondering if it isn't a recently harvested and marketed stone ? Aside from the fact that none of us have ever seen this particular label on a Thuringan it looks almost new. The color is very bright and there is little or no wear apparent to me. The idea of a photo shopped and computer generated label occurred to me too but if they were to go to that extent why not copy a known Escher label ? The stone itself definitely looks like a Thuringan for whatever that is worth. If someone who speaks the language were to post a photo of the stone/label on the German razor forums perhaps someone on that forum could shed some light on the mystery ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
That's what I thought you were asking! You'll never know unless you (or someone here) gets it and examines the lbael closely, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
Regards,
Neil
ok, i'll save you, i'll pick it up, so don't anybody bid against me, ok :)
then i'll give you any detail you want on the label and the stone
glad to sacrifice myself for the common good, you can buy me few drinks to thank me :)
Thank you for that act of selfless generosity gugi. I don't care what anyone here says; you are a heck of a guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
For posterity, it went for about double the starting bid of 49 USD with four bidders and this is the stone and label:
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Edit: note to those who read what I had written here about another hone: I was wrong! Further discussion here.
I asked for extra pics when the hone is dry , here they are:
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I also took the plunge on it and we will see what it is when it arrives all the way from Greece.
I am glad one of srp member get it. this will end up our doubts. Please
Stefan do inform us how stone will perform
will definitely do Sham.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
A follow up on the hone.
I asked the seller yesterday (a day after I won the stone) about the hystory and here is the reply:
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Dear friend,I don't know anything about the history of this stone!The only think I know is that is about 70 years old German natural stone,that I bought in Germany,and is no longer minded anywhere on earth except Germany(new thuringian hones,but I don't know if their quality is similar).This company maybe is a small branch that Escher had cooperation with!
Anyway you got a very nice quality German hone for your straight razors in a very resonable price and you sure gonna take your money back(even more)whenever you want to sell it!
i am waiting your own experience Stefan . In the other hand i know you do know how thuringian works.
Sham,Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
I have not had a chance to test much because I also got 3 new Nakayamas.
But here is the initial impression.
the stone is very dark gray uniform color, light gray slurry.
I did the standard 50 laps with thick slurry and then diluted for extra 20 laps. Edge then was put to CrO bench stop and 40/60 on hanging strop. The shave was very smooth. Compared to the thuringian you sent me to test, this guy is smoother IMO. A comparison to Escher would be interesting, but I do not own one. To me this is a great finishing stone and at the price I got it it's a steal.
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Originally Posted by mainaman
Looks like a steal. The sellers other items are also very attractive, some nice stuff for sale.
