Old Wosty ebay score What year is it?

So I just won this bad boy! Its my first stubbyyyy and couldn't be more excited!! Does anybody know what year it is? Also.. what yall think about the price? Is it good?
Very Early WOSTENHOLM PIPE Straight Razor SHELL SCALES | eBay

It's old as the hills, Elton! That seller is very knowledgable on those oldies. I think he is spot-on. That ain't much for any razor, if you want it! Very cool! ...Tom

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Originally Posted by sharptonn

It's old as the hills, Elton! That seller is very knowledgable on those oldies. I think he is spot-on. That ain't much for any razor, if you want it! Very cool! ...Tom

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thanks Tom, so you're thinking around 1810? What do you think about the scales? maybe some neatsfoot oil will bring them back to life? that 1834 ingraving in the scales is too cool!

If the scales are delaminating, i'd fix that before giving it any sort of oil treatment.

I was watching that one too. It looked good, and I think you got it at a good price. But I had just sold my stubby, and of course, just as quickly bought a new one, so there was no bread for doing anything other than looking. I was under the impression that neatsfoot is a good first step in treating the delamination. Anybody know if there are any threads on repairing delamination?

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Originally Posted by Theseus

If the scales are delaminating, i'd fix that before giving it any sort of oil treatment.

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alright how would I "re laminate" the scales?

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I was watching that one too. It looked good, and I think you got it at a good price. But I had just sold my stubby, and of course, just as quickly bought a new one, so there was no bread for doing anything other than looking. I was under the impression that neatsfoot is a good first step in treating the delamination. Anybody know if there are any threads on repairing delamination?

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lol yea i was hoping i got it for the 65 but the guy was bid battling me! Luckily the vendor lives in Houston too so im going to try and just pick up the razor once payment clears.

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Originally Posted by sharptonn

It's old as the hills, Elton! That seller is very knowledgable on those oldies. I think he is spot-on. That ain't much for any razor, if you want it! Very cool! ...Tom

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PS if your are free this week let me know before hand so i can come over and bring some razors!

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Originally Posted by vvti713

alright how would I "re laminate" the scales?

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I'm sure that someone will come along with a better response, myself having never had to do it, but I figure epoxy should be enough to hold it back together.

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I'm sure that someone will come along with a better response, myself having never had to do it, but I figure epoxy should be enough to hold it back together.

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crap. lol i dont know how to do that.. let alone repin a razor.. =[

Depending on the extent of delamination you may not need and may be detrimental to unpin the razor.

Yes, if you oil the scales, epoxy will not stick. You must make repairs in the right order. Check the Wiki. Post in the workshop. Should be some great info there

im a little confused because this website says that this razor is from George Johnson not a Wosty.. around 1815. this razor seems older than that. what do yall think? STRAZORS.com - all about classic razors - George Johnson, Sheffield.

That happens every time one shows up. Manah has shown it several time in other subforums. Wostenholm is not exclusive to the pipe. 1800, 1815, who knows? By the way, that is Manah's site!

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im a little confused because this website says that this razor is from George Johnson not a Wosty.. around 1815. this razor seems older than that. what do yall think? STRAZORS.com - all about classic razors - George Johnson, Sheffield.

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I would like to bring this up again for accuracy's sake. Manah's website does not say your razor is from George Johnson. All it says is that the trademark present on your razor was used by George Johnson. He also notes that the trademark appears to have been owned by Lambert in 1888 and that the clay pipe with dart device was granted in 1698. However, according to this Law Times report from 1889, the trademark was purchased from Johnson by Lambert (who had previously traded at Sheffield as a razor mfr in the name of Johnson) in 1887 and Johnson had acquired it from Thomas Linley, a razor manufacturer, in 1842. The mark had originally been granted to Bradshaw in 1698, and according to the document I linked, it was eventually surrendered in 1839 and reassigned to Linley in 1839. We have this particular record because Wostenholm used the opportunity of the trademark's changing hands in 1888 to contest its legality based on the similarity to its own pipe trademark. It was ruled the pipe and dart was a distinct trademark.

Anyway, I am fairly certain your razor predates George Johnson's ownership of the arrow and pipe trademark, judging by the style of the razor and comparing with other razors of similar style with known date of mfg range. Going a little farther, I think your razor predates Linley, whoever he was or worked for, to a previous owner of the trademark. Who that was, I don't know, but would like to :) Therefore because of these things, I don't think "1815" itself (assuming you pulled that date from manah's website as the earliest date he has listed for Johnson ) has any significance at all. Your razor could very well be older or younger.

It sure would be nice to be able to get our hands on the 18th and 19th century records of the cutlers company of hallamshire who granted these marks and kept up with ownership of them as they changed hands

;)As I said, it's as old as the hills!

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I would like to bring this up again for accuracy's sake. Manah's website does not say your razor is from George Johnson. All it says is that the trademark present on your razor was used by George Johnson. He also notes that the trademark appears to have been owned by Lambert in 1888 and that the clay pipe with dart device was granted in 1698. However, according to this Law Times report from 1889, the trademark was purchased from Johnson by Lambert (who had previously traded at Sheffield as a razor mfr in the name of Johnson) in 1887 and Johnson had acquired it from Thomas Linley, a razor manufacturer, in 1842. The mark had originally been granted to Bradshaw in 1698, and according to the document I linked, it was eventually surrendered in 1839 and reassigned to Linley in 1839. We have this particular record because Wostenholm used the opportunity of the trademark's changing hands in 1888 to contest its legality based on the similarity to its own pipe trademark. It was ruled the pipe and dart was a distinct trademark.

Anyway, I am fairly certain your razor predates George Johnson's ownership of the arrow and pipe trademark, judging by the style of the razor and comparing with other razors of similar style with known date of mfg range. Going a little farther, I think your razor predates Linley, whoever he was or worked for, to a previous owner of the trademark. Who that was, I don't know, but would like to :) Therefore because of these things, I don't think "1815" itself (assuming you pulled that date from manah's website as the earliest date he has listed for Johnson ) has any significance at all. Your razor could very well be older or younger.

It sure would be nice to be able to get our hands on the 18th and 19th century records of the cutlers company of hallamshire who granted these marks and kept up with ownership of them as they changed hands

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wow thanks, that was a lot of info! i tried honing it and the bevel i got was nowhere near even so i didnt go anywhere past the 1k stone.. i might just round up some cash and let glen give it a go!

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Originally Posted by vvti713

i might just round up some cash and let glen give it a go!

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Haha! awesome, Glen will love me long time :)