Any idea why this went for so little?

TI quarter hollow for 15 bucks. Seems in good shape to me.

I have one of these and it's my best shaver period.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5004&rd=1&rd=1

1) TI razors are still being made
2) A good amount of hone-wear
3) Some pitting
4) Small blade

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

1) TI razors are still being made
2) A good amount of hone-wear
3) Some pitting
4) Small blade

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Thanks Ilija. Now I wish I bid on it. The 69s TI still makes are now half- not quarter-hollows, and they have plastic handles. I don't care about pitting, and as far as the size goes these are heavy razors; to me a small wedge is a plus, exactly what I look for. Damn.

Ilija, how much hone wear does there have to be for it to become more than a cosmetic issue? Does it start throwing off the honing angle and hence the bevel, beyond the point where spine-taping can compensate?

For starters this blade looks like a full hollow not quarter. Razors are designed so the spine and the edge wear at the same rate so the angle is always the same. Using a tape when honing is cosmetic and it's more likely to throw off the angle in the long run. I've seen blades used by barbers having more than twice as much hone wear before being thrown out and ending up in an antique store.

I'm rarely confident about the grind when looking at ebay pictures (unless there's a shot from the end of the blade like JL Storm's avatar), but I definitely would not have guessed that this was a full hollow.

The double vertical stabilizers are a good indicative. If it started off on the heavy side and got honed down to a small thickness, I can see why it would look like a thicker grind.

Thanks, that helps.

Second opinion here:

I agree with the too much hone wear. However, I doubt it's a full hollow - and I may well be wrong but here is the logic: TI calls the historic Pierre full hollow and one can clearly see the twin stab piece; however, I talked to mparker (who has it) and he shared that it's basically almost a wedge with some hollowing - stiff and heavy, etc. So I guess what TI calls full hollow (and seems on pics as full hollow) might actually be a bit wedgier.

Just a second opinion, Ilija knows much more about hone wear and stuff than I will in the foreseeable future, but wanted to share what I know / think.

I myself am looking forward to getting the TI vintage below

It's a full hollow that has been honed well into the belly.

My Pierre-forged TI is described by Classic as a singing full hollow, but it doesn't have the double-stabilizer grinds, only the one and that one's pretty shallow -- if you check the photo at the classic store you can see this. This ebay razor looks like an ordinary 5/8ths that's been worn into a 4/8ths, which is why it looks kind of like it has a french point.

The dead giveaway is the way the edge has been honed up into stabilizer ribs.

Michael, I expected you to have changed your avatar by now to the PI TI :)

At least my TI seems in decent shape (the thumbnail one).

Cheers
Ivo

You guys are way ahead of me here, but I gather I did well not to bid on it.

The TI '69 medaille arg' I have has no double-stabilizer and is almost a true wedge. If you look down the barrel of it so to speak it's virtually a triangle, with just a little faint sloping on the sides. Maybe it too had been honed up into the belly(?)

No, you would have still seen the double stabilizer on it if that had been the case.

I think you did very well to pass on this one - not that it's unusable, but still

Thanks guys, I've learned a lot on this thread about how to figure out a grind with only pictures in profile to go by...descriptions on ebay often don't specify the grind, and then in cases like this one they do specify and get it wrong.

John Crowley quips somewhere about SRP's "funky" rating system where you ask a hundred dumb questions and get awarded the title of "honemeister." That was well said, and I notice it just happened to yours truly.

Didn't you notice that quantum leap in your honing skills when you passed 100? It's like an RPG, pass 100 posts and get the spell of wonderedge.

The ranking system is unnecessarily confusing. The honemeister designation is handed out far too easily, especially newbies are often admonished to "get a honemeister-honed blade". Unfortunately, the ranking obscures who those honemeisters really are - it ain't me, despite my post count.

There was an interminable thread last week on this topic, however, so I'll leave it at that. But honemeister is a really lousy rank for high post counts.

ah, that explains it. I was just wondering how the hell I could get that title when I'm a fumbling newbie. :)

On another note. I have a G. Butler that's very stiff and heavy but is still a biconcave grind. That must have taken some serious precision.