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08-14-2012, 06:46 PM #11
Personally I would not buy it.
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08-14-2012, 07:53 PM #12
As I am also a restorer, I have to agree with Gssixgun.
That Bartmann 504 blade is so thin grounded, that you don't have enough metal to remove to completely.
The goldwash is toast...
Cellrot has damaged this razor and I would not buy it.
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08-14-2012, 09:02 PM #13
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Thanked: 13221Celluloid Rot is not fixable once it starts, the Celluliod begins to break down and off gas, but because there were so many different formulas for making it there are no hard and fast rules, about spotting it..
I can only go by expierence and it tells me that what we see there is Cell Rot
Clues for everyones Knowledge:
Warpage
Color change
Actual break down of the fibers
Patterned corrosion on the blade that matches the scale pattern
Corrosion on the blade only where it is inbetween the scales from the off gassing
A sweet vinegar smell
None of these are true for all Celluliod scales but after you see it a few times you know it.. Sorta like when people ask about how to tell real Ivory, once you see real Ivory in your hands you will never ask again...Last edited by gssixgun; 08-14-2012 at 09:04 PM.
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08-15-2012, 01:30 AM #14
@gssixgun. I have heard that if you have a cellrot straight razor in your collection it can spread to your other razors? is this true?
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08-15-2012, 01:39 AM #15
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Thanked: 13221I have heard yes and no some people say it is impossible, HOWEVER two facts tell me that it is possible and I believe those two facts more than the one "Mr. Science" that argued the point..
I met a collector at the first razor meet I went to that told a story of how he himself lost near 1000 razors to Cellrot that crept from razor to razor in a closed area..
The Film Institute lost 1000's of old celluloid films to cellrot before they could be saved, it is my understanding that it crept from film to film in the vault...
Now with those two stories in my brain I really could careless what anyone else says I isolate the razors and toss the scales...Last edited by gssixgun; 08-15-2012 at 02:02 AM.
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08-15-2012, 01:41 AM #16
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Thanked: 884Ina addition to what Glen said, Nitric acid is the main culprit.
Some types of celluloid are more prone to breaking down than others. Just ONE razor with the scales going bad can ruin several others that may happen to be in close proximity. The problem isn't exclusive to "old" celluloid either. During the 70's and 80's there was a rash of bad celluloid coming from Germany. It was used on high end pocket knives as well as razors. I've seen "BUCK CREEK" pocket knives made in Solingen in the late 80's and early 90's that literally fell apart in my hand from cell rot.
Keep an eye on ALL of your celluloid scales. If it starts going South, Get the scales off the razor and out of the house.
Here's a picture of some of Case's old yellow pocket knife scales that went bad. This particular knife was made between 1965 and 1969. Funny thing about the handle material is that it did NOT eat steel. It did play HELL with the brass liners though.
I popped them off the knife and left them to their own devices outside for a week and they looked like this.
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08-15-2012, 01:57 AM #17
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08-15-2012, 10:33 PM #18
So if you have a razor with cellrot on it and you take the scales off, will it stop are will it continue to eat at the razor?
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08-16-2012, 12:10 AM #19
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08-16-2012, 01:43 AM #20
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Thanked: 884Not only YES, but HELL YES!!
Stories such as Glen related are legion amongst those that collect pocket knives.
I looked at a box of razors a while back with the thought of buying. It didn't take long to decide that I wasn't interested in the box's contents because ONE set of scales had gone bad and every razor in the box was rusting. The owner of the box stated that it hadn't been opened in several years. Several of the razors were so bad that about all that remained was the spine and tang. It was a sad sight to behold. I didn't even make an offer just to get the scales either. I wanted nothing to do with that mess.Member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, participant SE Asia War Games 1972-1973. The oath I swore has no statute of limitation.