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I thought I made a good first purchase from SRD but I just read somewhere in the library of this site that 6/8 was ideal for a first razor.
Did I make a mistake or is this a marginal deviation or an issue too subjective to render an opinion?
On a side note, Lynn mentioned that I would need a touch up rather than honing after a certain period of time.
What does this mean? I was a bit overwhelmed at the time and forgot to ask.
Take care,
Jason
My first razor was a 5/8. the size of the razor does not matter it's all about how you use it. Lol. and yes I know it's a little bit of a double entendre.
A 5/8 was my first. Perfect size to learn on I think. A touch up is just a light refresh of the razor on a high grit stone.
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post, don't forget to get yourself strop, pastes are optional.
Thanks for the replies. I bought a Ralf Aust razor/strop package from SRD. I upgraded to the 3" strop. It includes oil but no mention of paste.
Do I need paste?
Wow! This is indeed a steep learning curb.
Reminds me of the first time I went snow skiing. I wanted to try the blue run and ended up on a black diamond.
You shouldn't need anything but a strop and blade for a while if you strop right
A 5/8 is a fine razor to start with...no problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by realdog4
My first, which I still use and will always have a place in my rotation is my Dovo Best Quality 5/8 half hollow grind. Perfect blade to start with IMO, the half hollow gives great feedback while still having the heft of a wedge-like blade.
I think what Lynn was referring to is a, "refresh" for your razor rather than a full honing. The bevel will be set on your blade, and as beginners, we tend to be harder on an edge with being new to shaving and stropping, so a refresh on a finishing stone, like a Naniwa 12k for example, brings the edge back to shave ready rather easily. Lynn has a great video on various ways you can, "refresh" the blade yourself.
Do you really strop between each pass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Substance
I noticed your signature.
5/8 to 6/8 is good, and 5/8 is the de facto standard size for a razor - nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by realdog4
You do not need to strop between each pass :) but after each shave I like to give my razors 20-30 laps (up and back is one lap) on the strop and about 60 laps before a shave.
I mean you can if you want to but I wouldn't see it as necessary but then again I'm only new as well!
I wanted the same DOVO but SRD is running low on inventory. I think he mentioned that DOVO is extremely behind in fulfilling orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
I shaved with a Ralf Aust this morning - and I think you have made a great choice for a first razor..
I consider the RA to be a "Goldilocks Grind" - they seem to be in that sweet spot - "meatier" than the full hollows and very easy to work with.
It is a lot to learn, but hang in there cause it's worth it.
Having a great edge is the key to learning how to shave with a straight - and careful stroping is the key to maintaining that great edge that Lynn sent you.
And I'm sure we have members in your area that could help.
Smooth shaving...
Most SR shavers use a clean (no paste) strop as a daily driver. Some, not all, have a paddle or a hanger with some paste to use occasionally but certainly not on a regular basis. At least that is how I approach it. Don't use that oil unless you want to increase the draw (resistance). If you do use it, a little goes a very long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by realdog4
Raff Aust is a fine razor. A 5/8 is a good size to start with, and many guys stay with that size. Easy to maneuver yet large enough to get the job done. Personally I don't care for 4/8 but that is more ergonomics for my thick fingers have a hard time with the skinny tangs. Some guys like those as well.
That 5/8 will do you just fine. I still use a 5/8 in my rotation of razors as well as a few modified 3/8's. Variation is the spice of life. Practice your stropping technique with a butter knife and your pants leg while watching TV, it will help build muscle memory as well as the muscles in your arm. The important thing is to roll the blade on the spine instead of the intuitive desire to roll it on the edge. Some strop before and after a shave, where as I only strop prior to shaving, it is all subjective and personal preference. Get the stropping down and your razor should be good for several months. Don't get caught up in the minutia that you read about on sites like this, it will only bog you down and make you doubt yourself.
You will be fine!
I learned on a 9/16 Genco Grant Square Point that was my Uncles. I've since found that I 'Prefer' a 6/8 to 11/16 but as Everything associated with Using and Maintaining a Straight Razor it's all about 'Personal Preference'!
'Personally' I wouldn't recommend a 4/8 for a beginner. Here's my reasoning; Due to the light weight and 'quick angle changes' a newbie has a much greater chance of an AW CRAP! And that AW CRAP may be enough to have them determine that using a straight razor 'Isn't For Them'! However with that said; Once a newbie becomes proficient with a larger blade they may find the 4/8 very handy!
Sanfte Rasur, mein Klingenbruder!
(Smooth Shaving My Brother In Blades)
Thanks for everyone's input. As I mentioned in my New Member Introduction post, I have been a DE user for the last year.
I really like this forum and appreciate the willingness of all the members to help the beginners. I am confident that I am in the right place.
I am equally confident that this is not going to be just a hobby but an evolution to the art of a good shave.
In short, you won't see my straight razor and related items for sale with the explanation that "it is not for me".
Take care,
Jason
As others have said, the 5/8 is a good size to start with. It's not too big and it's not to small.
When your blade arrives don't strop it. It is already stropped and ready to go from Lynn. Just wipe the oil off and shave with it.
After you shave, strop it about 10 travels on the linen to dry out any tiny water droplets in the bevel.
From there, it is up to you.
I do a full stropping 40 travels on linen and 40 travels on leather so I'm shave ready the next day and it seems to make a more comfortable shave.
Some people strop more, some strop less; some people wait until right before they shave to strop. You get to play around and see what works best for you and what you like.
The strop from SRD comes pre oiled, so you don't have to treat it right away. I treat mine about once a month with about a quarter sized drop in my hand and just rub it in good. When you do oil it, you will notice an increase in the resistance of your blade on the strop (that's the draw).
Most beginners nick up their first strop and consequently the blade during the first month. So after a month your blade will probably need a refresh hone.
A pasted strop is a secondary leather or linen strop that is treated with polishing compound to make the edge smoother and increase the time between honing on stones. Some people use them, some people don't. I do about 10 travels on a CrOx pasted leather bench strop about every week or so. CrOx paste is pretty popular, as are diamond sprays, carbon, iron, and CBN. Each of the pastes/sprays gives a different feel to the shave.
The problem with using paste or sprays on a strop is that, if his strop technique is not up to snuff then stropping with paste will not help. A good barbers hone would work best in this situation. Just lay the razor flat and make a few passes on each side.
I started with a 5/8. Almost everybody does. I still shave with 5/8 razors.
5/8 are not beginners razors just razors everybody begins with when starting this better way of shaving. If you like your 5/8 and do no become a shaving related addict it will serve you and your children and their children well. To most of us on SRP this has become a hobby or rather an addiction. Just yesterday I bought soap and shaving cream from three different vendors, oh and another hone
Start out with shaving and stropping. If you learn that well and are satisfied with that you will only need something to touch up a blade and paste or a barbers hone can do that.
Hello, from all accounts you are in great shape right now.
Many opinions (including mine) say the Ralf Aust is a notably superior razor when compared to a Dovo of the same price range (+/-$20 or so). I have one Dovo in the rotation (had two a while back) and two RA blades..Ralf Aust is just a better product all the way around ...I think.
After nearly 40 years of using a straight, I still keep a couple 5/8 blades in the mix (both Bokers) and I enjoy them quite a bit. Yes most of my razors are 6/8 with a 7/8 or two as well. 6/8 is my preferred size blade but that is merely personal choice.
As others have said here (good advice too) a number of laps on both fabric and leather before shaving (I go 25 on fabric/50 on leather before and 25/25 after just to ensure the blade is dry before I put it up) is all I have ever done. Never used pastes...never will. No need for such I believe. Touch up stone is a good thing. Again choice is yours. I have had good luck with Welsh slate, a Naniwa 8k and/or 12k; a Zulu Grey is en route which should prove interesting. Again, all a matter of personal preference.
Only thing I can add is to take time to read the Forum threads which deal with your questions. There is a wealth of knowledge to be found (wish I had this resource 30-40 years ago) and armed with that knowledge, you will find your own path.
There is little difference between 5/8 and 6/8, about 3.2mm :) i notice more difference in the grinds, not that i have many razors, but i have been lucky enough to borrow, and or be given a variety of different types of razor.
Stropping between each pass shoudnt be necessary unless your razor is particularly terrible :)
I like my 3" strop over the 2.5" i was recently given, as the strop accomodates the whole blade, however i still use a windscreen wiper type stroke, this supposedly ensures the entire edge gets stropped, like doing an x stroke on a narrower strop, and i find it more natural feeling than straight up and down.
I am sure you will enjoy your new gear, and it sounds like your choices were good.
Jason,
I am a wee bit late to this thread, and you've been given solid advice. I add one more thing: have patience and embrace the whole ritual of straight razor shaving.
Here is an example of the difference between 5/8 and 6/8. The same make and model number but notice how much difference it makes.
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I think 5/8" is probably the better choice for newcomers.
My comfort zone for a razor is 9/16" - 13/16", anything smaller I lose the angle and anything much bigger seems hard to maneuver around. 5/8" should be perfect to learn on. As others have said, practice stropping with a butter knife either on the strop or the pants leg.
Don't listen to these guys. You see when they first started they all used a 5/8s and now let me correct the bum dope and set you straight. They suffered all kinds of calamities using a 5/8s at first and like a club of sufferers they want you to suffer too.
Just box it up and send it to me. I'll know what to do with it.
Seriously though a 5/8s really is a great starter piece and a great size for everyone all the time.
+1 to thebigspendurQuote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
LOL - calamities would be correct!
Aside from holding the razor in the completely wrong manner, I also thought it was good to soak it in the spout part of my scuttle along with my brush. For some reason I thought soaking the razor in boiling hot water would be good for the shave.
The it got cloudy white spots, which I then tried various cleaners, including Brasso, lemon juice, sandpaper, and various other things. So in the space of two hours, from noticing a couple of cloudly white spots, I managed to turn the razor pretty much a uniform black.
The razor's all better now, aside from the etching was completely dissolved away. And the strop I shredded, I use that now as a pasted strop....but that is the fun of this, it's the journey, where we make mistakes, many that we were warned against, and as we go we learn...it's all good!
Yup, you are right phrank, i realized that when people said " no its not vaseline that you add to your lather, it is glycerin" that they were right, after I had done it a few times.
Though in my defence I did read it on a thread somewhere here, when I PM'd the poster he apologized and told me he had meant glycerin.
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Originally Posted by Phrank
I love my DOVO Best Quaility 5/8
I learned on a 6/8 quarter hollow. I won't say I regretted anything because it forced me not to get sloppy and to take my time. However, I have a medium build and a medium sized face with angular jaw and neck lines. The 6/8 takes up a lot of real estate on my face and it was a pain to get a good shave on my neck unless I planed on spending some time doing it. Now it's no problem and I have three 6/8 razors from full to quarter hollow and two 5/8 razors full hollow. I do love my 6/8 blades now. Honestly though because of my face size and features I think a 5/8 would have reduced the time frame for my learning curve in the end. But no regrets. Certainly NOT a mistake to buy a 5/8 first, and depending of your facial features, may just be the right choice.
Yes...after a shave to make sure the edge is dry and clean, and then before the next one for me.
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Originally Posted by realdog4
