Sleep time between passes!

Hello all;

Today I began a new job. So, i wanted my best shave and be on time. Therefore, i came up with a scheme that i haven't seen before around here. Late last night I shaved WTG. I went to sleep. Woke up 5:30 am. Warm toweled my head and face and shaved XTG and ATG. Needless to say: BBS!!! BBS big time!

My intention was to let my skin rest for eight hours in between passes, thinking that maybe the skin would partially heal so that i can be more aggressive and go about my business with less or no irritation.

I don't think that i discovered the mediterranean. I just want to know if anybody out there have done it or at least thought of this.

What you guys think? Did I waste my time or my game plan may have some worth???

Some people shave twice per day with one shave being the dominant shave. This is basically what you have done.

I would be careful about skin irritation and drying. Witch Hazel will help.

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Originally Posted by rolodave

I would be careful about skin irritation and drying. Witch Hazel will help.

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Thank you very much.

For that reason i make my own soap and aftershave, to make sure that my skin is getting it all: aloe, vitamin E, glycerin, jojoba, avocado, almond and some other oils and goodies. Witch hazel its one of them.

Best regards,

Dr. Pepponne



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With my skin and beard it would be a waste of time. But yours?????

I have been known to shave twice in a day but that was more because I couldn't wait to sample my honing skills!:D

At what time of day did you used to shave before? If you were an evening shaver like me, then your face would feel slightly less than BBS the next morning. Finishing the shave at that time would improve on the feel, but only because your beard has had a few hours to grow.

The purpose of the first pass in a multipass shave is to mow down the majority of the whiskers so that it is easier to do the remaining passes without too much or perhaps even any irritation. Doing the first pass the night before does no harm, removes the majority of your beard but lets it grow back for 8 or so hours. Doing the additional passes in the morning will remove the sleep time growth, but I don't see any reason why it would technically be closer.

All that said, since moving to a straight razor, I have dispensed with 3 and 4 pass shaves that were common with my DE razors... No, a 2 pass shave is not perfect, but so close I cannot be bothered to do a third. I guess I've shaved enough that I don't mind reducing the time spent at the mirror. Finding good advice on wetshaving made the whole ordeal so much nicer, and I may have overcompensated with doing additional passes... mostly just because I could, in the beginning

In any case, if your schedule works for you, and you like shaving that way.... there is no reason to not keep doing it. Does it do something new.... perhaps?!?! Will I test it, probably not.... I dedicate one specific time to my shave and that's it for the day. Some gents have to shave twice a day, just to look half way presentable and they are not looking for more work either. <smile>

So... just enjoy what many men consider a nuisance or even a pain in the a**.

Still waiting to hear your findings on the Zulu.... I finally manage to put mine down and try my other cantankerous (to me) hone, before I forgot how to use it. The edge turned out remarkably well and seemed slightly less piquant than off the Zulu. Plenty sharp, but ever so slightly smoother. I expect to spend more time on this Jnat, but I really should get back to that Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde coticule of mine. Off the 8K norton, even as a beginner, I got better edges..... edges I could actually shave with, using the coti. Then I discovered Shapton hones and found the money for a set and my edges made another leap forward, but the Coti was there to tame the sharpness and add some comfort.

Today that Coti can improve on the sharpness I got from the Shapton, if I do things right.... it is really an amazing, yet somewhat dull looking rock, and it's bloody slow. But.... I'll never selll it... or maybe I will.....[sigh] And if I sell it, I have to be prepared to never get another one like it again.


Sorry... I didn't mean to highjack your thread. :gaah:


Regards

Kaptain "Appologies" Zero

Tons of variables. Beard, Skin, Shaving Prep, Razor, Edge Quality, Honing and Maintenance Skill and Shaving Skill. As you experience continues, your shave will improve and I believe you skin will adjust.

I shave in less than $15 minutes, from selecting a razor to everything cleaned up and put away. Straight shaving does not need to be a “Process”.

You can make it one, if you like and I get that.

Also, a keen/smooth edge (those terms, are not mutually exclusive) will be easier on your skin.

Find a routine that works for you and perfect it, know that a year from now, your edges and shaves will be infinitely better, and quicker, assuming you are fairly new to straight shaving.

Rock on, Doc.

This is interesting. I get what you're saying about giving your face a rest after the first pass. For me, though, the first pass is WTG, and doesn't irritate. If you're still learning, the rest may help overcome technique weaknesses that lead to irritation after multiple passes. It seems like a bit of extra work to strop, build lather, etc twice for one shave, though.

Dear Kaptn;

Thanx for taking the time. I really appreciate it.

You are right, i just need more mirror time. Jeje. Going through that phase. I love it. And that specific morning i needed to be out as soon as posible.

The zulu has not arrived. I even bet that it hasnt been shipped. I read somewhere that they took a couple of months to do that. :-/. I guess that they wait to gather a few orders together before the mine for the rocks. Jeje.

Shapton...!!! The other day i received a geneva pyramid from gixgun, honed with shapton all the way to 30k. OMG! It is so smooth. Then again, Glenn is a pro! So, i wanted them right away, but he advised me no to go that way yet. For that i am very grateful because my learning curve is not already up there... So, i think that it will be -after the zulu- the coti, then the shapton, and then the jnat. Ufff. Sounds like a 5 year plan. Jeje. What da ya think?


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Originally Posted by Moonshae

... It seems like a bit of extra work to strop, build lather, etc twice for one shave, though.

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Dear Moon;

Thats part of the fun...!!! :-)



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Originally Posted by Euclid440

I shave in less than 15 minutes, from selecting a razor to everything cleaned up and put away. .

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Dear Euclid;

I agree with you in 99% of all you said. But, i shave my head too. It is a lot of real estate with a LOT of hair. For me 15 minutes will be unthinkable, even with a fusion. Jeje.

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Originally Posted by Carlospppena

Shapton...!!! The other day i received a geneva pyramid from gixgun, honed with shapton all the way to 30k. OMG! It is so smooth. Then again, Glenn is a pro! So, i wanted them right away, but he advised me no to go that way yet. For that i am very grateful because my learning curve is not already up there... So, i think that it will be -after the zulu- the coti, then the shapton, and then the jnat. Ufff. Sounds like a 5 year plan. Jeje. What da ya think?

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Glen does nice work and gives solid advice. I think your 5 year plan is bit locked in. Start with the Zulu as you already have it on the way. I don't know what else you have in hones, but bang for buck, Naniwa and Shapton or Shapton Glass hones are solid performers that lots of us use. The 30K Shapton is an expensive beast... I don't own one and I don't think I will ever buy one. I am tempted by the Suehiro Gokumyo 20K hone, but it's only because I'm curios, as my razors are plenty smooth and sharp with what I already have. I'm also not convinced that I'm willing to pay the price just to answer the question. There are lots of nice razors, strops and brushes out there, that I'd like to get my hands on as well.

See how the Zulu works out for you, and if you are left wanting, that's the time to look for something else. A coti is nice, Jnats are also very nice, but there is quite a variation in these hones, and it may take some time to figure them, and sometimes... they don't work out. You will want to deal with a trusted dealer when it comes to Jnats.... someone who knows their stones and the requirements for razors. I'd prefer to see you branch out with some good synthetic hones first, they are very reliable and if you have difficulties with one, it's easy to get help on this board.

What ever you decide, remember Gssixguns tagline:


"No amount of money spent on a Stone can ever replace the value of the time it takes learning to use it properly"
Very Respectfully - Glen


Regards

Christian

Dear Christian;

I have the norton 1, 4 and 8K. And a naniwa 10K. I know, i should have bought a 12K, but that is what i have. I also have .5 crox spray and .25 paste. Results aint bad at all.

As i wait for the zulu, i think that i will follow your advice and stick to synthetics as in the shapton 16K.

I really appreciate your advice.

Thanx tons,

Pepe Peña


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I picked up early-onset HAD myself, and Glen also advised me to stay away from Shaptons (the stratospheric price points helped too). So, I went with Naniwa Super Stones and am VERY happy with them (1-3-5-8-10-12). Later on, here in the B/S/T area, I found a nice blue-green Escher someone was selling. For now, my HAD is pretty dormant, but like the previous poster, I believe I may shoot for a Suehiro Gokumyo 20k at some point. After all, I enjoy this sport, and I think I eventually need to see what all the G20k fuss is about. ;)

((Note -- Started out with the Norton 4/8 and both .5 and .25 diamond sprays but quickly put them into storage. For post hone treatment, I use a Cerium Oxide coated strop.))

OK, that clears things up a bit and you are in good shape. Don't fret about the 10K vs 12K hone, there is a slight difference, but it's not enough of a difference to warrant buying the 12K, unless you wear out, break or sell the 10K.

As for the Shapton 16K, I put it about equal to the Naniwa 12K as I have had both. Remember to never compare numbers when switching manufacturers. They ALL use numbers that do not exactly equal another manufacturers number and often they don't correlate to different hone families made by the same manufacturer. Those numbers are good for figuring out which hones to get in the SAME series of hones, but little else. A classic example would be the Shapton 30K vs the Suehiro Gokumyo 20K. I think the general consensus is that they are about the same in the final result on a razor. I do have a friend who has both and he prefers the the 20K as his final finisher. Thankfully, I don't have either of those two, so I continue to putter around with my other naturals, blissfully ignorant of what those hones might do for me!

On the topic of Gssixgun, last winter he restored 3 razors for me. He honed each razor with a different finishing hone and let me know which was what... I think it was the Zulu, Charnely Forrest and a Thuringen. To me... they were all great, but the Zulu won, so I bought one. Of course, like everything else, it's what YOU like and not what I like. There is a reason why there are sooo many brands of DE blades and why it seems like every man prefers a different brand. If we didn't all like different things, we'd all be arguing over the same woman, right? [wink]

So wait for the Zulu and give it some time.... I honestly don't think you'll need the Shapton.

Regards

Christian