Thick Blades for Thick Beards???

First I would like to thank everyone here for the great insights and tons of help over the last few months. I purchased a Dovo 5/8 spike point a few months ago and have really enjoyed getting into straight razor shaving. I've only had a few problems that i can't seem to find a simple answer for and this is why I'm posting my questions.

I absolutely love shaving with my straight, however if i don't shave for a few days it's more difficult due to my thick beard. Now i know of many people's opinions saying that larger blades are easier to handle thick beards, or that wedges are better for thick beards. Is there a guideline to which blade is better suited for a beard-type? or is it a trial and error scenario where everyone needs to find out which blade is best suited for them? I hope its not the latter because i'm a college kid who's not financially capable of purchasing multiple razors just to see which one i would like.

Regarding the issue with blade size, is it the size of the blade that would make the difference, or the weight of the blade?

Thanks for the help,
-Mike

In my experience weight has an effect. Size really doesn't do anything (except 7/8s and up for me make it difficult to get some areas). I can definately see that for really thick beards a heavier blade could make shaving easier.

I would also say it's mostly the weight of the blade that makes the difference unless you are referring to some of those paper thin blades like a 6/8 Boker King Cutter and other such "Singing" blades. Heavy beards would normally dictate a stiffer edge that resists deflection. I don't have a heavy beard but my beard is wirey and tough... thin blades tend to irritate my skin whereas stiffer blades don't. I have a Carbo Magnetic 4/8 that shaves just as comfortable as my 7/8" wedge though it does bog down in the rough. That little 4/8 is very stiff unlike my King Cutter who's edge is paper thin, and does give me great shaves.

I'd look for something other than a full hollow ground, it needn't be a wedge which can be a pain to hone. Quarter, half and even 3/4 hollows should be stiff enough I would think and a 6/8" size should have enough heft to get the job done... I have several 7/8" and a custom 8/8 which all shave great but my 5/8" 1/2 hollow doesn't really do any worse for me.

Unfortunately there is always trial and error involved in such personal matters, sometimes it's best to overshoot by going perhaps too big, just to set the two goal posts and then you can figure out where to aim next knowing what is too big and what is too small.


Regards

Christian

I know there are plenty of guys who really think you need to have a really big heavy razor and or grind to shave a tough heavy beard but all I'll say to this is that if you could go back in time and went to a barber back when they gave many shaves each day you would probably rarely see a wedge or 7/8s or 8/8s razor. Most barbers used 5/8s or 6/8s hollow grind razors as their go to razors. Some of the old timers preferred wedges but in general those were the type of razors that were used to shave every guy who walked into the shop.

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Originally Posted by kaptain_zero

I would also say it's mostly the weight of the blade that makes the difference unless you are referring to some of those paper thin blades like a 6/8 Boker King Cutter and other such "Singing" blades. Heavy beards would normally dictate a stiffer edge that resists deflection. I don't have a heavy beard but my beard is wirey and tough... thin blades tend to irritate my skin whereas stiffer blades don't. I have a Carbo Magnetic 4/8 that shaves just as comfortable as my 7/8" wedge though it does bog down in the rough. That little 4/8 is very stiff unlike my King Cutter who's edge is paper thin, and does give me great shaves.

I'd look for something other than a full hollow ground, it needn't be a wedge which can be a pain to hone. Quarter, half and even 3/4 hollows should be stiff enough I would think and a 6/8" size should have enough heft to get the job done... I have several 7/8" and a custom 8/8 which all shave great but my 5/8" 1/2 hollow doesn't really do any worse for me.


Christian

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This is helpful. I'd heard that wedges were better for thick beards, but I didn't know why. This stiffness factor makes sense.

I've been using a shavette that takes 1./2 a DE blade and have been getting pretty good shaves. Then today my first real straight arrived, a new Dovo "special" 6/8, honed by an expert. The blade is sharp. It easily slices my arm hairs with a light pass 1/4" above the skin. However, I was disappointed :mad: with the way it shaved. It would only cut through the whiskers on my chin with difficulty. I know I have a very thick and, I think, wiry beard. Maybe I should have a 'wedgier' blade. I do have a Wapi on the way. That'll make for an interesting comparison.

-Tom

Tom, keep us up to date after you shave with the sharp Wapienica

My remuda includes three razors, one of which (a Boker) is noticeably heavier than the others. It does go through my very heavy beard with more stability than the others. I think it's less likely to be deflected side to side, which in turn prevents nicks. The other razors, however, give excellent shaves. They just take a bit more care.

If you want to play it safe then purchase a wedge grind, ala W&B type, preferably a 6/8. The English razors are your best bet. But.... ask Kenrup if the 7/8 Chinese Double Arrow is a stiff grind. Those are inexpensive.

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Tom, keep us up to date after you shave with the sharp Wapienica

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"Sharp" is a key word. Unfortunately, I may not get the Wapi sharp for a while. I bought it used here from B/S/T so I could learn to hone. The fellow said he'd got it from Mike Ratcliff honed not long ago, but he thought he might have damaged it slightly, or at least he allowed for that possibility. The best case scenario is that it's not damaged and I can strop and shave and find that it does a good job on my beard. If I have to hone it, well, then that'll add another variable to the equation: Can a noobie hone job + wapi + stiff beard = a good shave?

An update on the Dovo. My first shave fresh out of the box was slightly rushed. Last night I got it out again, stropped and reshaved. It's slower going that with the 1/2 DE blade, but I eventually got a nick-free shave about 90% as close as the the DE. Considering that I'm not used to weilding that blade, which feels very long and very wide, that's not so bad.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I know there are plenty of guys who really think you need to have a really big heavy razor and or grind to shave a tough heavy beard but all I'll say to this is that if you could go back in time and went to a barber back when they gave many shaves each day you would probably rarely see a wedge or 7/8s or 8/8s razor. Most barbers used 5/8s or 6/8s hollow grind razors as their go to razors. Some of the old timers preferred wedges but in general those were the type of razors that were used to shave every guy who walked into the shop.

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Interesting comment. While I prefer an 6/8 or larger razor in a 1/4 hollow grind, my grandfather was a barber and his razor of choice was a 4/8. I still have his razor.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I know there are plenty of guys who really think you need to have a really big heavy razor and or grind to shave a tough heavy beard but all I'll say to this is that if you could go back in time and went to a barber back when they gave many shaves each day you would probably rarely see a wedge or 7/8s or 8/8s razor. Most barbers used 5/8s or 6/8s hollow grind razors as their go to razors. Some of the old timers preferred wedges but in general those were the type of razors that were used to shave every guy who walked into the shop.

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That only tells me that it was more profitable to use hollow blades over wedges, not necessarily more comfortable. There is probably a difference as you suggest between claiming that a giant razor is necessary and claiming that it is advantageous, but what indication is actually contrary to the idea that some beards won't allow comfortable shaves with small, hollow razors? :thinking:

Perhaps the deal is that we can't generalize it down to "heavy beards require heavy razors".

That being said, I think each one of us has a preference for what type of blade they prefer. For some a lighter grind may shave them just as well as a heavy grind. For others, the results will not be the same.

I myself, had two Henckels Friodurs, extra hollow grind. They were capable of getting extremely sharp, and gave very close shaves. However, they didn't feel very comfortable during the shave for me.

I have since moved on to heavier grinds (Dovo Renaissance, vintage LeGrelot, 1/4 grind LeGrelot, W&B wedge), and am liking the way they shave me much better. That being said, I don't see much of a difference between my 1/4 grind and my wedge. I think after you pass a certain point of heftyness that blade just isn't going anywhere.

My hollow Dovo renaissance is a heftier grind than the Frios, but much lighter than the 1/4 grind LeGrelot. I'd say it's about my limit for how light I like my grind. It feels different than my heavier grinds, but much, much smoother than my Frios did.

Some may prefer a feeling of wielding a deft, light, little scalpel of a razor, dancing across their face, surgically removing whiskers as they go. More power to them!

Others, like myself, prefer the feeling of invincibility of the heavier grinds. These razors proclaim loudly to the whiskers in their way "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!" and then proceed to mow them all down...That's awesome too!

Personally, I wish lighter grinds worked better for me, as that would give me more razors to choose from.:cry:


To the original poster: I feel that it is the weight, or grind of the razor that matters most. My Friodurs were 7/8ths, but were extra hollow grind. Overall they are hefty blades, but the edge is somewhat flexible even so.

Give a heavier grind razor a try and see how you like it (or not). Wapis are 1/4 grinds, and you can get them for like $22.

Hoglahoo and I were kicking this around in chat the other day too. During the course of our discussion, I went and shaved with the lightest hollow grind I have ever used: a 5/8 full hollow. Not the smallest of razors but I have been using wedges, and half hollows that range from 6/8+ to 8/8. I feel like I had to control the 5/8 with more force to keep it from deflecting, but in the end it was my most comfortable shave as far as irritation (which I still get in certain spots). I even did some ATG which I NEVER do. All in all, there are a lot of variables in my situation. Still, I think it is interesting and will be using more hollow grinds to see what happens!
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-rob

I have the same tough beard, fully hollow ground doesn`t shave well blues. Any suggestions on inexpensive wedge or 1/4 hollow ground razors?

The only thing that I can add to this Is as you experience grows you will probably find you preferences changing .
I've tried a lot of differeft razors ranging from 5/8 prima klang dovos to 7/8 wedges & with practice they all shave me very well. I just could'nt adapt to the Tosuke's though & I did find 4/8 a little light for me. I'm beginning to feel that the correct prep IS the most important thing to a great shave.
BUT whatch out for the RAD it is incurable.Paul

I can relate as I have a heavy beard when I grow it out. Now I'm clean shaven
except for a mustache. When I let 3 days growth go by.....there seems to be
no way a full hollow or ex full hollow will do. It will bite and bite and I do have
many many shave ready ones. I find if you do have a very strong/thick stubble/beard....then a 1/2 wedge should mow it down without the pain of
the flimsy paper weight of a full hollow. Mind you most will not need a 1/2 wedge just to daily shave and you can find uses for any width & thickness
of a blade. 5/8's is most common & does the majority very well. JMO.