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Hello, it's me again...
I have decided to buy some honing equipment... I did some research and found out that this kind of stuff is very hard to find in Croatia and that this is also very expensive, since I am a student and have pretty tight budget...
So, I was wondering if this kind of stuff will do for honing a razor?
It costs around 200 kn (35$)...
If it's not good for honing a razor I won't buy anything until I'm 100% sure...
Any tips are welcome...
Thanks...
You can't go past a small yellow coticule if you are on a budget and only want one stone.
I just bought a 125mmx30mm & can't speak highly enough of it.
Those spydercos are a little coarse for final polishing.
+1 buy a yellow coticule, its the best all around hone for razors!
Yes, but the thing is, I am from Croatia, and those things are here hard to find...
I found today a hone with 400 FEPA or 700 JIS grit... And it is the highest grit I could find around here...
Can you please tell me what is yellow, blue, or any coticule used for, maybe it could be found in those stores with paints, colors, polishers and stuff...
And if I don't find anything I'll have to hone my razor with wet sandpaper...
Or order something from somewhere...
:gth
Kinda stupid situation...
Any help is appreciated...
Actually, I wonder if that hone, along with a Spydero UF, might not be so bad. I have only used the Uf and it works fine. The advantage of such a set would be no need to lap it.
You can get your coiticules straight from the quarry's shop: Ardennes Coticule - natural sharpening stones from Vielsalm Belgium. - Online shopQuote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
The quarry's owner is very knowledgeable and will answer your questions. Higly recommended.
If you ask in the paint shop for the powder they use to make pea green colored paint, the color comes from Chromium oxide. Cr Ox. This powder if you sprinkle it on a piece of smooth leather is about the finest synthetic hone available.
First, see if you can find the powder pigment that they use to make green paint.
Second, the hone you have found would be just great as long as you have the CR OX covered leather hone to finish with.
Hope this helps.
One more thing. In Croatia, your older men, your Grandads etc., must have used something to shave when they were young. ASK AND THEY MAY WELL TELL ABOUT SECRET CROATIAN THINGS THAT ARE BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT. Honest, the old guys are a real source of information and what they know is worth finding out about. When you know, tell us ,because we are all still looking for perfection.
Good local hunting.
GREAT ADVICE!!! English, best thing Ive heard in a long time! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by English
If you can mail order stuff from US or europe then I think you might be able to find cheaper stones than the yellow coticule. Depends on the condition of your straight right now though, is it shave ready? Was it shave ready and has dulled?
That chinese 12k stone that retails for like $30 or $40 in the US might be an option. Or perhaps a smaller cheaper "non select" stone from that coticlue mine would fit your needs.
If the straight is really dull or bad condition you will need more than just the finishing/retouching hones we're talking about.
Thanks for the tip about Chromium Oxide... One little question about it... If I sprinkle Cr Ox on piece of smooth leather, do I make passes like when I'm honing or like when I'm stroping?
I will ask my elders about Croatian customs in razor honing :gl: and if I find out anything interesting be sure that I'll share it with you guys... :tu
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that I've heard something about honing things on porcelain plates...:hmmm:
Well, I think that I will need some lower grit stones because the blade is in pretty bad condition... There are many nicks that have to be honed out and the bevel must be shaped again also...
another option: norton waterstone combination 4k/8k is two hones in one for less than $100. it should set your bevel and put a decent finish on a razor
Robert,
You make the passes like you are stropping. You will find that the process turns the V edge very shiny and it just works and works well. You musn't do too many strops or you will actally dull the blade.
Five to ten return strops are usually optimum.
I think the porcelain plate method is to use the rough bit of porcelain on the reverse of the plate. It's the rough edge on the circle that the plate sits. In the same way that newspaper will smooth an edge, the porcelain plate trick will put a sharpness on a blade. Some guys will laugh at at this but I'm sure it works to sharpen a knife and I see no reason why it wouldn't work on a razor just so long as you go easy and gentle.
I have seen knife sharpeners in the shops that are just two circles of ceramic that you pull a blade through.
They work well on kitchen knives. The porcelain is a much finer grit without question and should work but I think you will still need a finer grit to get a smooth shave.
Well, I'll try my best to collect all the hones I can get my hands on... But, first things first, the razor must be cleaned and restored and then comes the honing part... I think that there will be no honing until next week... So, I have few more days to collect the wisdom of my elders... :D I'll post if I come across anything interesting...
Just a note to mention that JoshEarl put together a tutorial: http://straightrazorpalace.com/strop...-tutorial.html
that may be beneficial to you if you plan on using Chromium oxide.
Saw the tutorial, thanks...
I also found a thread posted by Wildtim (3M Micro Abrasive Film, A Usage Guide and Review) and I decided to give it a shot...
Today I bought wet/dry sandpaper, grit (FEPA/JIS) 600/1200, 800/2000, 1000/3000 and tomorrow I'll look for 1200/4000 and 2000/8000...
I'll try to make a finish with a block of polished marble (grandpa told me that he used it just to retouch the edge of his chisels)...
I believe that the grit of a polished marble could be greater than 12000 (correct me if I'm wrong)...
I will also use that piece of marble as a perfectly flat surface to place my wet sandpaper on...:D
Will see how it works...
Hope I won't make 3/8" out of 5/8"...:rofl2:
You will need UF or some other finishing. For me the F/UF combo works well for honing. I also plan to try 302M for setting the bevel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert1988
There is a Spyderco dealer (Maestralprom) in Zagreb. Price for 303MF is 206 HRK (cca 36 USD). On the Spyderco site an official price is 39.90 USD (cca 230 HRK). I think the price difference is worth not paying S/H and waiting for.
I bought 302F and 302UF for cca. 130 USD (688 HRK) - if you buy directly from Spyderco then you'll pay 141.90 USD + S/H.
If you want you can contact me on 091/781-5970
Btw. I plan to visit Mr. Martin Morocutti in Vienna (knifeshop.com) in December so if you want I can take him your razor to hone (his price is 19 EUR/razor )
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Well, I restored my old razor and I tried to hone it, but I failed...
I did the "bread cutting" to even the edge and then honed it with sandpaper...
I didn't want to push it and I gave up pretty soon...
It's still 5/8", but it isn't sharp...:)
So I tossed away the sandpaper and ordered two stones from Germany...
Combination Stone Naniwa | DICK
and
Japanese Honing Stone King, grit 6000 | DICK
I think that these two should do the job and they don't cost too much...
What do You think?
The 1/3 will be good for setting the bevel and the 6 for sharpening the blade. Try that and see if the crom ox gives you a comfortable shave. I think you might be better served by at least one other finishing stone in between the 6 and the chrom ox. Something like a 12 or better. ChrisL has some of those Chinese 12Ks with slurry stone listed in the classifieds. Many like that stone and it is very reasonable.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think you will need a lapping hone (diamond?) to use those stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert1988
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes, I also think that they have to be lapped, so I ordered this, just in case...:)
Trueing Grille for Sharpening Stones | DICK
I think this set would be nice combination with a paddle strop dad found for me...
One side leather and one side linen...
Too bad he didn't have enough money with him to buy it, but the man said that he would keep it for him 'till the next weekend...
The man also said that he has about a dozen of old straight razors at home and that he will try to find them...:)
Be very carefull when buying old razors. I made a mistake and buy every one I can put my hand on. Unfortunately only one or two of them is close to usefull razor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert1988
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Originally Posted by Zlotvor
Well, I wouldn't use them all for shaving...
Some of them could be restored and used for displaying...:)
We managed a meeting with Napoleon 16.11.2008. in Zagreb. If you can, join us and bring those razors with you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert1988
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Unfortunately, I'm going home that weekend... :td
Maybe next time :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert1988
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