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Hi All
I have been reading the posts on here for a while now on honing, trying to figure out what to buy . I have talked to Howard schecter of the perfect edge , he said the Shapton's are the best set up for life . Money is not the main issue , I am looking for high quality and ease of use . I am also a new at straight razor shaving in general so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Scott
at first welcome.
Now do you really mean money is not the issue?
if above true then my set will be
Norton 1000/400
Norton 4000/8k
Belgan natural combo
shapton
above 2(coticule and shapton)will do the same job basically shapton will leave a lot better edge for escher then belgian coticule
Escher's any will work.
above set will help you took out any chips etc and putting final edge.
if you are hone frick as many of us then
you can add
Belgian coticule
Nakayama very very nice hone
shapton's etc.
Shapton 16 k does put a good edge but it is a little harsh. end edge getting by Escher's are the best so far for me.
I am sure you will get so many different combination hones good luck choosing one.
lets hope this will help
I would say that for every day honing from bevel setting to finishing, go for the Naniwa Super Stones 1K, 5K, 8K and 12K. These things seem like they were made for straight razors. Very consistent and successful results. I have been using them for the past four months and love them. Started as a test and now they are virtually all I am using. The Shapton Glass stones are nice too. I also like my Escher and Nakayama.
Have fun,
Lynn
Welcome to SRP ! If I was new to it I would stick with a strop and a couple of shave ready razors before I started worrying about honing. Once you are sure that you are going to stick with it all of the previous posters had good advice. :gl:
Hi all
Thanks all , for the advice . I have the will to stay with straight razor shaving . I enjoy sharpening knives , broadheads , ETC . I have more sharpening stones already , but nothing I would consider using on a straight razor. I was looking to spend about 1100.00 on the Shapton stones , I also was looking at the stones on Lynn's site but notice that the finer grits are sold out . I liked the looks of the stone he suggested .
Thanks Scott
Keep in mind that the huge money in the Shapton set are in two things that are not necessary, the 30k and the GDLP
You don't have to have either of them....
The Naniwa Super stones would also be a great choice... I have been using the 1k at Lynn's suggestion and will most likely be adding the rest of the set soon enough......
That means that I will have a set of Norton's, Shapton's, Naniwa's and a Blue /Yellow combo stone.... oh and lets not forget the DMT 325 for lapping some Barber's hones and other naturals I have.....
See some of us just have way to many hones....
I would go either Shapton or Naniwa, my 2 cents have been spent have fun choosing hehehe
That is impossible. :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I'm looking for stones like those too.:rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by motohed
Based on my relatively limited sampling, they all have their quirks and experience wins out over any engineered "super stone".
But, I see what your are getting at (i.e. quality stones that work well).
Mark
Hi Guys
I have ordered some stones after listen too all , and watching Lynn's insightful video ( may I say wow ) and thanks Lynn . I ordered some stones ,so here goes ! let me know what you think !
1 Naniwa super stone 5000 grit
1 sharpton pro 8000 grit
1 Naniwa super stone 10000 grit
1 Kitayama 12000 grit
I am looking for a good lap for flattening these stones , so I need more advice ! so thanks again in advance .
Also a huge plug for Lynn's video !
Are there any others out there !
SHAVE ON !
Thanks in advance Scott:rock:
How do these hones lap...easier than shapton...can sand paper work or is the dmt 325 still needed...are they as hard as the chineese 12k that people say is a bear to lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
The DMT D8C 325 continuous plate is well thought of and can be found here for about the best price I know of. The Shapton GDLP is the more expensive option. It is perfectly flat where the DMT may not be as flat but you can buy a half dozen DMTs for the price of one GDLP. The DMT is plenty close enough for a lot less $$. I have both BTW..... say that to say that what I am saying isn't speculation. Just IMHO.
Glen,Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Let me know if you need a few more...............:rofl2:
Lynn
Hi Jimmy
Thanks for the info ! I was really thinking about the Shapton glass hones , but I was never really successful with glass hones so I chose the others that I listed . Are they good choices , I will get the coarse grit stones later .
Thanks Scott
Scott, What are you honing? Razor wise that is? Are you doing resto work, or just simply touching up new blades? Touching up vintage blades. How large is your collection of razors?
I think they are good choices. You have a spread of grits there. It seems to me that you want to really get into honing. Get to know the stones you have. Use them and learn their characteristics. It is easy to get into the HAD and look for the perfect hone when you can do what you have to with what you have. Than you acquire so many that you don't really know any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by motohed
If you are going to be working with razors that are new or in fine condition what you have is plenty. If you are going to get ebay or antique shop specials you might want to get a coarser stone for easier bevel setting. I like my DMT E 1200 grit or my Shapton pro 1000. Something in that range makes life easier if you are dealing with chipped up dull edges.
Let's see, You need a DMT D8C and D8XX. The D8XX is the workhorse for stone lapping. You also need an array of wet/dry sandpaper to give your hones that finished look 220,320,400,600,800 and 1000. I've heard of 1500 and 2000 grit, but haven't seen any. I've refinished several old Barber hones, and until I hit them with the sandpaper, they looked like crap. The sandpaper really finishes the job, just like resto work on a blade. It get out all the small scratches....
Of course you'll need a flat surface such as a piece of tile, marble, or glass. Or if money is truly no object, you can buy a true flat surface from one of the mechanic places online. They can be pricey. With that stuff right there, you should be able to take care of any hone, even the super hard Barber hones. All you need now from the looks of your list is a bevel setter, Like Jimmy said, a 1000 grit. Norton makes a 220/1000 combo stone which is great, and if your not doing resto work, it'll probably last you a lifetime. They're good stones, just because they're not as expensive as the Shaptons, doesn't make them inferior. I have a large collection and just started using the Norton's. I'm very pleased with the results I've been getting. Rich
P.S. As Lynn said, Naniwa is a good choice for straight razors. I just bought my first Naniwa 12k off them and like the results. It's a lot quicker than the other 12k's. Very easy to lap too. I too plan on buying the entire set. Looks like it'll run you around 300 or so dollars at SRD for the rest of the Naniwa stones....
This is 4 stones with relatively small jumps in grits. I believe you can go relatively easy from the 5000 to 12000 naniwa superstones, but as a start having 8k in between is not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by motohed
The advantage is that you can try different makes, but personally for actual honing I think staying within the same line is better because you get similar feedback and more consistent results.
I use DMT-C and it works well. The GDLP is supposedly better but a lot more expensive too. Some people like DMT-XX. For me GDLP is unjustified - I don't have shaptons neither do I need the flattest possible lapping surface.
Hopefully you already have hones at the 1k level.
Being a recent convert to Coticules I could not do without it. The visual feedback (slurry color), the tactile, and auditory feedback on these stones are outstanding, plus you get like 2 stones in one.
There is not a mention of pastes which are on the higher end of the honing process but bang for the buck and the outcome you can not beat a 0.5,0.25, Chromium finish. IMHO
Oh....just forgot there is no "lifetime" setup!:roflmao Wait till HAD sets in!
I don't have a bad case of HAD, probably, so I started with the 4 sided strop and a DMTEE and that got me going. I now have.
1. DMT course....for lapping
2. 1K Shapton for a bevel
3. Coticule to fill the 4K, 10K jump
4. DMT8EE
5. 16K Shapton
6. 0.25,0.5 and Chromium paddle
I have razors that are extremely sharp, smooth and last for a couple of weeks before a touchup is needed and that is an accomplishment considering my horrible blade punishing beard.
Take Care,
Richard
+1 riooso. You never really done. There's always a stone out there, and your right about the pastes, I use them myself. I think Jimmy pointed out that if your just getting into it, learn what stones you have first, but he said, "Money wasn't the issue" That's why I mentioned the DGLP, (Diamond Glass Lapping Plate) and a Machinist's flat surface. I mean, If you have money to burn, why not have the best. I agree with Gugi and think that the DGLP isn't needed. A DMT can take care of it for you, but if i had an extra 300 bucks to burn, and a wanted to spend some money, what the heck!,Right.....
Maybe the new guys is Bill Gates !
Hi zib
No I'am not Bill Gates , just a hard working American guy like everyone else . I have always had a fascination with making things sharp . I have a few razors that I want to make shaving sharp . I have used the Norton stones and several different hard Arkansas stones in the past ( all well worn ),I also have a very nice commercial triangle hone set up that I use for knives and axes . I want to get into blade restoration and possible start building some of my own razors . I have already made several knives and throwing axes . I have a pretty nice forge set up ,and have figure out the tempering aspect etc. Yada yada yada .
Enough about me , I also have the Shapton pro 1000 stone coming and the DMT D8C-325 . So what else do I need , I have several strops that I use on knives and axes . I use to play in the lumber jack sports etc . I still do excavation and selective logging we also own a campground and a farm so we stay pretty busy . Oh by the way should I be looking for slurry stones for th Shapton ETC :shrug::gaah:
Thanks Scott
Hi Scott, Just joking about the Bill Gates thing my friend, Welcome to the forum. Sounds like your pretty well covered. The Shapton 1000 is a good bevel setter. I'd pick up a Norton 220/1000 combo to. I like the Nortons. Some pasted flatbead hones, like the ones Tony Miller sells on his site are great. I use Chromium Oxide and 1.0, .5 and .25 diamond pastes. As far as lapping your hones, I feel the DMT D8XX is invaluable.
The D8C is good to, but it can become clogged up and worn easy it seems to me. I do lots of hone lapping, I sell Chinese 12k Slurries, so I'm always cutting, and just touching them up a bit, beveling the sides and corners. I also love old Barber hones. These things are some of the hardest hones I've ever come across. Even with the D8XX, it can take hours to get out a 1mm chip. As I said, Once you take these hones to a D8c or D8xx, you may want to clean them up with some wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of marble tile. That's what i like. i have two 18 in sq pieces on my counter, they double as cutting boards, so my girl is happy too. It's a win win...Anyway, you lay you wet sandpaper on the tile and finish your hones. I should post some pics of my finished Barber hones, they came out really nice, They look new...I really wish I had before pics. I think the only hone I don't own is an Escher.
I'm not sure why, They are pricey, and to the best of my knowledge, a finisher. The guys that have them say that there's nothing like an edge from and Escher. If I could find one at an Antique store or Estate sale, maybe.
But for now, I can't justify spending almost 500 dollars for a Vintage hone.
Coticules are wonderful hones, close to an Escher, but each is different. With the Naniwa hones, you have consistency. I have about a dozen or so Coticules and BBW's. Each are unique. Some are fast, some are slow, but they do put a really nice edge on your razor. I think if your really going to get into this hobby, it's almost standard equipment. The razor itself is also a factor, A Wade and Butcher will hone differenty in my opinion that say, a Dovo, or a Dubl Duck. Once you get into it and start doing it, you'll know what more you need. We're all here to help. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask, or drop me a pm anytime...Rich
The only thing you need is practice. You have more than enough hones already.Quote:
Originally Posted by motohed