My First Razor Help

Hello everyone. I've been researching everything for a while now, and I want to go ahead and purchase all of my items tomorrow. I've been looking at this website alot
Straight Razors
Here's the deal. I'm really not sure what to look for, or what's good/bad. I would like to get some advice/recomendations from experienced straight shavers, that know what makes a good one. I want a really good razor, that i'll use for a very long time. I'm willing to spend $300-$500 for a razor, up to $100 for a strop, and I want a silver tipped badger brush/bowl. Can anyone please help me with links or recommendations to specific razors I should get and why? I'm not sure what to choose.

Thanks

+1 Pm to Lynn

There are too many choices when spending that kind of money for someone else to make up your mind. Anything Lynn suggests will be more than adequate but you could spend half that much and have very nice equipment. The higher prices will get you style and pannache to satisfy your personal tastes as it would be difficult to find a poorly performing razor or strop on your budget.

I like the site you mentioned buying from (I have a Hart Steel 6/8th from them). However my first razor advice would be from straightrazordesigns. I would look at a 5/8-6/8ths with one of their strops in the package deal. They are a great vendor and I have much from them. I would get the upgraded 3in strop if you have the means to get it. That's my opinion on the matter.

Nic

Well, my fascination with straight razor shaving is as much mental as it is for a physical shave. I do want something classy, and something that will make me feel good to look at. To tell the truth, I want to spend between $300-$500, definitely want something non-beginner; but I understand the issues with that. What should I base the 5/8 or 6/8 on? I also heard the contour matters to? The hart steel looks pretty cool, because I get to pick the handle to go with the blade. Handle part is easy, blade is where it gets complicated. I'd opt for the shiny one with a square edge, just for looks. Any suggestions from here?

http://www.classicshaving.com/Hart_Steel.html

I base the size suggestion on maneuverability. Also, I didn't mention the grind. This is where I might differ from some. I enjoy a nice quarter to wedge grind as I have a very coarse beard. I also enjoy, and here is the key, a very sharp full hollow. But I started with a wedge and would recommend it to anyone with coarse hair. That's why I love the Hart's so much. Try a Wade and Butcher or Frederick Reynolds wedge at some point. Nice.

Good luck
Nic

Ok guys, I think i've found it

DOVO Straight Razors

thoughts?

That's a sweet razor. Stainless steel has pros and cons. The good is the fact that it is less prone to rust. Also I feel they hold their edge longer, however they never get quite as sharp as carbon steel. The stainless is also a tad harder to hone when you get to that point.

Nic

My $80 Dovo best quality has been great for the first few shaves I have with it so far! I'm still working on the stropping though, might take some time to perfect it! I would have a hard time dropping that much money on something that I'm learning and not even sure if I'll like.

On another note, I love the scales and gold accents on the blade!!

Have you got the Dovo yet? It's a nice razor, but I wouldn't buy it myself; not as a first razor not unless I wanted someone else to hone it for me.

I've never had a stainless razor, but I hear they are difficult for a beginner to hone.

I'd actually get a nice vintage razor from this site in the classifieds, making sure it comes shave ready.

Everyone here who is experienced knows how important it is to get a shave ready razor; honed by someone who uses a straight daily.

I wouldn't pay more than 60 for my first razor; you can get really nice vintage razors for that price. I'd get a full hollow 5/8. I'd get a good strop with good hardware (D rings both ends). I'd get a Norton 4/8 and a Shapton 16k and a boar brush and a badger brush.

I'd frequent this site every single day and hang out in each forum, but mainly the beginners' forum (having made a mistake yesterday, knowing what you did wrong, and talking about it is sometimes more valuable from advice that comes from TRYING to remember what you did wrong ;-)

Of course I'd also read the Wiki (library).

For the amount you're thinking of spending just on the razor, you could get close to getting all of what I said I'd buy above (I'm probably massively exaggerating there*).

Of course, that's just what I'd do...everyone else is going to say something different...But like General Patton said, "If everyone is thinking alike someone isn't thinking"

[EDIT] *Actually, I just did some Googling and it's not much of an exaggeration at all :-)


Carl

I too would opt for a more inexpensive first strop... You will nick it guaranteed! I know I have a couple of nicks on mine and will have to replace it soon. Bonus is I have gotten better (I think?) at stropping and the strop is not in as much danger as it used to be. I would also recommend a 5/8 for your first razor. I have a nice 6/8, had a 5/8 and also a 4/8. I've nicked myself more times on the 6/8 than with any of the others. I also would recommend a nice vintage razor from one of the fine vendors here in the classifieds. I understand the want to have a fancy expensive razor but until you know if you like shaving with a straight I would save some cash then upgrade later if you so desire. Just my two cents :)

I echo much of other people's comments here in that I think you are putting your carriage before the horse when you have no personal, tangible experience to know a from z regarding straight shaving in practice and not theory. I say all this meaning no judgement or offense--just that it's my observation with your questions and I'd like to help out if I can.

If you have the ability to drop $500 on your setup, then you can afford to purchase a cheaper razor and strop on which to learn even if you end up selling them or using them for backups/travelers later on. Take a look in the classifieds right now and you will find a cleaned, polished, and shave-ready (i.e. honed and ready to go) 5/8 razor for $35 from a reputable seller.

While some recommend Larry's (at Whipped Dog) $14 or $25 "poor man" strop (I started on this strop), I recommend looking into one of Straight Razor Design's 3 inch Latigo strops (either with leather handles or D rings) because you will have a much better time with a 3" wide strop than a 2" while learning, the craftsmanship on the strop's handles and hardware will last you a lifetime, and you can purchase leather refills of different leathers (like horsehide, Premium I, Premium IV, etc.) for cheaper than another strop because you are certain to nick your strop while learning. I was careful as heck with my "poor man" and still managed to nick the strop during transitions a handful of times.

As for the brush, have you ever felt the difference between boars hair, best badger, silver-tip badger, etc. to know what you prefer? Do you prefer making lather on your face or in a bowl/skuttle? Higher prices as far as brushes go don't mean better brushes for personal taste. Some people love the feel of a stiff boars-hair brush, and if you are one of them you just wasted big bucks on a silver-tip when you could have spent a fraction of that on a good boars brush. It's all preference. I suggest looking on Whipped Dog, SRP classifieds, or contacting an SRP member known for making or restoring brushes and see if you can find a "pure or "best" badger or a boars brush in the $20 range to give you a starting point from which to judge before spending more money on a brush of unknown characteristics.

If you are going to use a scuttle, I'd probably spend the money on a good one now because you can always use it for safety razor shaving in the event you dislike straights. Or you could use a small cereal bowl or the like to start out.

There are so many options regarding blade widths, grinds, point designs, tang ergonomics, balance, brush handle lengths (important for your scuttle or bowl), brush hair characteristics, strop draw, strop handle/hanger configuration, and strop widths that your first setup is bound to contain some items that aren't best suited for you--that was the case for me regarding my razor, strop, brush, and soap. Also, you will be disappointed when you destroy that $100 strop on your third shave, when you drop that $350 razor because you aren't used to switching hands or grips, when you destroy the edge learning to strop or when you accidentally hit the faucet while rinsing, and/or when you find out that that expensive silver-tip badger hair is too soft for your preference. I'd go with a $130 setup that will last you years during your learning period and is easily upgradeable, and then hunt down that desired razor, strop refill, and brush. That's my $1.02, but I hope it gives you another vantage point.