Ivory handled brush...maybe

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Hi Folks, this is a brush that I recently acquired. It was one of a few items In A package of various shave items. It is not branded, looks to have been turned on a lathe, and appears to be Ivory. Was Ivory a common brush material? Any insight into the age of this brush? I am pretty well versed on straight razor history but know next to nothing about brushes. Any info on this one that folks are willing to contribute would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

They did make ivory handled brushes but ivory usually has a subtle grain pattern to it. can you see any grain?

I would say it is not bone.
But, saying it is not antiquated, it could be ivory.

I remember Pixel saying you had to use a metal lathe to turn ivory. Wood lathes produced a lot of chatter marks.

A better pic of the end may tell you more, probably bone.

If it was it would probably have been knotted in Badger, not boar. Ivory was used judicially for top of the line goods.

Nice find.

Well, there are several ways to know whether it's ivory or not.
Up close, ivory has lines, "Schreger lines", that may or may not cross. But it's quite unmistakable.

A sure way to know is to apply a red hot needle to a part. It should hardly penetrate, and if it smells of bone, it should be really light. Bone will be penetrated deeper and have a strong smell.

It's possible to be some sort of thermoplastic and a hot pin would melt/damage it leaving a mark. If it's bone of ivory it shouldn't leave a mark. In that case those are fairly easy to tell apart - bone has blood vessels through out so it has small pores you can see esp under magnification. OTOH ivory has the famous "Schreger lines".

Let us know the outcome!

Appreciate the input. I have seen the grain that Ivory has on my ivory scaled straights. I do not see these lines on this particular brush handle. On the other hand, I also do not see the unmistakable pores that are apparent on bone scales. Hence my confusion. When I get home tonight I will try to capture the lathe markings on the end of the handle. Maybe, I am off base and its actually plastic or an early version of plastic but I was under the assumption that a polymer would be poured and not put on a lathe. Anyway, I will try to examine a bit closer and post pics. Thanks a bunch and stay tuned.

It doesn't look like Ivory at all and ivory would only be used in top of the line Badger brushes. It has always been a luxury material.

I'm going with Gugi based on the latest input from the OP.

Randydance had a brush made by Skip Nordstrom. He poured it and turned it on a wood lathe. It looks very similar to this..

IIRC our departed resident ivory guru Pixelfixed mentioned that it depends on how the ivory is cut and from where one the tusk it was taken whether or not the ivory will have "Schreger lines" visible in it. Ivory with "Schreger lines" being higher quality that that without.

That said, my biggest doubts about the handle being ivory are it's fairly large size and the knot being boar. Badger has always been considered the premium knot material and ivory handles usually were associated with those knots.

Bob

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IIRC our departed resident ivory guru Pixelfixed mentioned that it depends on how the ivory is cut and from where one the tusk it was taken whether or not the ivory will have "Schreger lines" visible in it. Ivory with "Schreger lines" being higher quality that that without.

That said, my biggest doubts about the handle being ivory are it's fairly large size and the knot being boar. Badger has always been considered the premium knot material and ivory handles usually were associated with those knots.

Bob

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An Ivory brush? This one is genuine.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

An Ivory brush? This one is genuine.

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Yes, I'd buy that.

Bob

Well, I used my trusty magnifying Glass and here is what I found. Attachment 315044Attachment 315045Attachment 315046Attachment 315047
I am going to go with bone.

It looks like bone to me.

Any guesses to how old a brush like this might be? Are bone handled brushes a dime a dozen or is this unique? Thanks

I'm not sure about age. Maybe early/mid 1900s.

Rare..:shrug: but I can say I've only came across one in the wilds, and I restored it.

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I wouldn't call it rare. It was used commonly for razor scale, less common for brush handles. When polished up it can look great and can also be dyed different colors. I have a razor with Giraffe bone scales which are dyed blue. Pretty stuff.

Ok, so lets talk getting it restored with badger hair. I've got my razor restoration connections...who can I turn to to have this refinished into a new badger brush?

U can do it yourself, its not that difficult. I just looked in the library, and thru the posts in the brush makers thread.

All the info u need can be found there, its where I got it to do mine.