Is The Sky Falling ?

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Originally Posted by Splashone

A logical effect of too many people. The more there are the higher the impact on everything. We couldn't survive another ice age with this population...where is the food going to come from?

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The vastly larger world population now compared to then is but one of the ways that we effect our environment more now than in the middle ages or even prior to that. In the not too distant past, say pre industrial revolution, man did not burn fossil fuels at the rate we do today, did not use the vast amounts of chemicals we use today and did not farm on the industrial scale we do today. When you use the vastly larger population of the post industrial period as a multiplier of all the practices we do today which did not really exist before, the ability to rapidly and detrimentally change our environment is exponentially larger than previously.

Bob

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Man has always had this belief that technology will come to the rescue like the Cavalry in an old western movie. Many times it has worked but hedging your bets on it might not be a good idea in the long term. Ask the folks who were on the Titanic (if you could).

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Custer's Last Stand ! ............ :rofl2:

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Originally Posted by BobH

The vastly larger world population now compared to then is but one of the ways that we effect our environment more now than in the middle ages or even prior to that. In the not too distant past, say pre industrial revolution, man did not burn fossil fuels at the rate we do today, did not use the vast amounts of chemicals we use today and did not farm on the industrial scale we do today. When you use the vastly larger population of the post industrial period as a multiplier of all the practices we do today which did not really exist before, the ability to rapidly and detrimentally change our environment is exponentially larger than previously.

Bob

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We will soon deplete the stocks of fish in the oceans. Global warming is a problem but is just another cobblestone in mankind's road to ruin and extinction.

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Originally Posted by BobH

The vastly larger world population now compared to then is but one of the ways that we effect our environment more now than in the middle ages or even prior to that. In the not too distant past, say pre industrial revolution, man did not burn fossil fuels at the rate we do today, did not use the vast amounts of chemicals we use today and did not farm on the industrial scale we do today. When you use the vastly larger population of the post industrial period as a multiplier of all the practices we do today which did not really exist before, the ability to rapidly and detrimentally change our environment is exponentially larger than previously.

Bob

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That is the real deal. Add to that, China, India, and other 'emerging industrial powers' don't want anything inhibiting their advancing economies. Short sighted maybe, but that is the way they are making policy.

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Originally Posted by Splashone

We will soon deplete the stocks of fish in the oceans. Global warming is a problem but is just another cobblestone in mankind's road to ruin and extinction.

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It is all part of modern mans technical ability to harvest too much too quickly. Doing so with the least amount of people, read workers, helps guarantee the the highest profits in the shortest time possible which is the pinnacle of success for modern capitalism. Just a matter of what way we kill ourselves off first with. All self inflicted unless something like a large meteor hits earth first.

Bob

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

That is the real deal. Add to that, China, India, and other 'emerging industrial powers' don't want anything inhibiting their advancing economies. Short sighted maybe, but that is the way they are making policy.

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They say that when US and the rest of the western world was at that stage of development they disregarded the consequences in the same or worse ways in the name of rapid development, so these countries shouldn't have to make the sacrifices others didn't have to make when in similar circumstances. And they point to US being unwilling to do their contribution in the context of its own circumstances.

Still, two months ago US and China did sign a pledge on curbing emissions down the road - mostly a political statement with little substance but before it even such symbolic stuff was not done.

There is only one way to deal with the problem somebody else having to do something - an agreement that everybody should do it and penalizing the cheaters, i.e. government.
Taxation (e.g. carbon) or cap&trade are two ways to allow individual entities to contribute differently, yet to a degree fairly, while still meeting the overall target.

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Humans are killing the earth,Esp the Oceans,this currant book explains it all:The sixth Extinction by Elizibeth Kolbert.

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I believe this earth will be burned up and recreated as the scriptures say. You may disagree if you want but I am not worried.

Ultimately the Earth will be engulfed by the Sun and destroyed and the Universe will snap back and destroy everything.

Our planet has been around billions of years before man appeared and did very well without us and will do well no matter what man does. The surface of the earth we live on is like the dirt on your driveway and it could all be swept away in an instant. The earth's poles could reverse and destroy us all, or maybe a comet or meteor hits or some energy wave from deep in space. The Universe is a very violent place. As far as our actions go it won't affect the planet, it doesn't care about us. it ain't tierra firma. We live on moving eggshells.

Encouraging eh?

Do I have enough time left to buy another brush?

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Ultimately the Earth will be engulfed by the Sun and destroyed and the Universe will snap back and destroy everything.

Our planet has been around billions of years before man appeared and did very well without us and will do well no matter what man does. The surface of the earth we live on is like the dirt on your driveway and it could all be swept away in an instant. The earth's poles could reverse and destroy us all, or maybe a comet or meteor hits or some energy wave from deep in space. The Universe is a very violent place. As far as our actions go it won't affect the planet, it doesn't care about us. it ain't tierra firma. We live on moving eggshells.

Encouraging eh?

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Terra firma,we will all be dust when the end comes,I would just like my children and their Children to live in a normel world as I knew it 50 yrs ago