Down right Un-American...

Really Hirlau?? :shrug:

No offence intended or was that too PC to say? Why did you feel my question was bringing the thread down? I was referencing the comment made by another member in their post asserting a politically correct approach to living was creating pansies. Why haven't you asserted that their comment was bringing the thread down? I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Not sure if you consider this going up or down. I consider it honest and the use of common sense. Another item the member felt was now missing.

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Originally Posted by Brenngun

Really Hirlau?? :shrug:

No offence intended or was that too PC to say? Why did you feel my question was bringing the thread down? I was referencing the comment made by another member in their post asserting a politically correct approach to living was creating pansies. Why haven't you asserted that their comment was bringing the thread down? I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Not sure if you consider this going up or down. I consider it honest and the use of common sense. Another item the member felt was now missing.

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You may not like the opening post or give a hoot about the flag , or how the flag is handled,,,:shrug:

But you took the opportunity to to voice your discontent with the topic to artfully call the O.P. author Suticat a pansy, which all men here know is just another word meaning pu$$y.

What I find ironic is that, had the two of you been at the same table, you would not have called him a pansy. ;)

If you don't like the topic, don't throw personal shots at the author.

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I don't think the OP would have slapped anybody even though he felt that way. Verbal expression is always 10 fold the action taken. Anybody that respects the flag like that also respects humans at the same level. Now if the OP was John Wayne maybe but he got away with a lot. The flag is a symbol with great meaning to some people (me included). Now you could say it's no big deal to you but then you have no right to give any other symbol importance either. Say KKK and watch the hairs stand up on the back of many necks of the same people that would say it's just a flag. This is what makes no sense to me. Who decides what is right and what is wrong. I used to fly a flag right underneath my American flag that many would find threatening but I don't see it that way.

It doesn't mean I am coming after you, it means stay off of me. It may co-notate violence but you have to test that by pushing me too far.
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People who trash flags,burn them at rallies, walk on them, are saying to the others they don't respect them and everything they represent. You could find that very repulsive if you lost a limb or a loved one so these protesters can live the life they have.
It's the lack of respect that angers.

As to dignity, we simply ceremoniously folded 3 flags which were quite worn last summer during a gathering and set them as gently as possible upon a fire pit. Everyone stood and cited the Pledge of Allegiance as they burned.

We all felt quite satisfied with their demise.

YMMV

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Originally Posted by 10Pups

It's the lack of respect that angers.

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Exactly...


You either have it and therefore understand my point or you dont and go off on pointless tangnets.


"Our flag honors those who have fought to protect it, and is a reminder of the sacrifice of our nation's founders and heroes. As the ultimate icon of America's storied history, the Stars and Stripes represents the very best of this nation."

Joe Barton

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Originally Posted by Hirlau

You may not like the opening post or give a hoot about the flag , or how the flag is handled,,,:shrug:

But you took the opportunity to to voice your discontent with the topic to artfully call the O.P. author Suticat a pansy, which all men here know is just another word meaning pu$$y.

What I find ironic is that, had the two of you been at the same table, you would not have called him a pansy. ;)

If you don't like the topic, don't throw personal shots at the author.

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Hirlau, I would encourage you to reread my original post in hopes of a clearer understanding. I never expressed any opinion one way or the other about the OP's opening post or how the flag is handled. Also didn't express any opinion or "discontent" with the topic and most assuredly not at any time or in anyone's reimagining of my comments (including yours) did I call the OP a pansy or "pu$$y".

I did however reflect how politically correctness like so many other ideals can be different to different people. I also did ask the OP for their opinion with respect to how their original "pansy" comment should apply with this understanding.

Hypocrisy can be a bitch!

I have lost blood, sweat, & tears, I have lost friends & family for this great Country. Through my eyes, the Stars & Stripes represents their sacrifices to keep this country the way it is right now. Their sacrifices give you the right to make a statement you wish without fear of persecution, there are quite a few countries you do not have that right...it's called Freedom. Thank a soldier and/or a veteran for what the U.S. Flag represents (if you live here of course)...and show the Flag that represents such freedom with the respect it deserves.

https://www.vfw.org/Flag/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_Constitution

A flag is the national symbol of one's country and as such demands respect, I agree. However, I hardly think threatening violence against those who don't show that respect in a way you deem acceptable (or who are not aware of how to show that respect) shows any respect for any of the values those who fought for your country lived and died for. Or do you think veterans past and present fought for your right to threaten to beat up a fellow citizen when you feel like they've annoyed you?

I get that the OP was upset, and that the flag means a lot to them. That's great and I respect them for that. But I will never respect the threat of violence against another person. You might feel that is too PC, but I feel that it is *precisely* the reason why our soldiers past and present went to war on our behalf.

James.

Edit: And I am out of this fiasco.

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I have lost blood, sweat, & tears, I have lost friends & family for this great Country. Through my eyes, the Stars & Stripes represents their sacrifices to keep this country the way it is right now. Their sacrifices give you the right to make a statement you wish without fear of persecution, there are quite a few countries you do not have that right...it's called Freedom. Thank a soldier and/or a veteran for what the U.S. Flag represents (if you live here of course)...and show the Flag that represents such freedom with the respect it deserves.

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I agree with all except what I put in bold. The wisdom of the founders of the Constitution, and the strength of the Constitution, is the recognition that the Constitution needs to be able to change as the circumstances of the country changes. That is why there have been amendments added to the document. It is a recognition that this country will not always be the way that it is right now, whether we want it to change or not. The right to make those changes is also something that our loved ones fought for.