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Doesn't the government have better things to do? :banghead:
Always messing with the little guy! :mad:
Glad it all got resolved! :tu
O.K. I read it,,, what's with the Willow Trees ? Why does the government insist on Willow Trees?
something to do with the trees roots holding ground retention to minimize erosion of the banks etc
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Originally Posted by Substance
Yes, the logging regulations in my province do not allow logging companies to clear cut to the waters edge for that reason also.
Bob
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution declares that no person shall be “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
Is it possible that the Federal government agreed to settle because they realize that their appointed thugs, the EPA, had acted in violation of the 5th Amendment, and imposed penalties on this man without "due process"? Could be. Maybe this wasn't so much a case of common sense, maybe more CYA.
This reminds me of something. How much did the EPA fine itself when it spilled mine waste water in the Animas river of Colorado last year?
Unfortunately, the appointed bureaucrats of the EPA are not only immune from public opinion since they are not elected officials and can't be driven from office by legal means required by the US Constitution, they also enjoy sovereign immunity which means they do not have to fine themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leatherstockiings
Everything is so much more convenient when you're above the law.
This shows just how much truth there is to the mantra of "We're a nation of laws." Nonsense. We're a nation of regulations imposed by appointed bureaucrats with a political agenda who have zero accountability under the law.
They get their panties all in a bunch when you touch the water
Just 2 miles down the road we had a similar case in fact even worse...
We have a ton of "Drainage Channels" that feed the lake just north of me, and keep the area here dry, they were cut back in the 40's by the ACoE
Well this guy decides he is tired of the messy muddy banks and erosion so he digs the channel through his property slightly wider and deeper then lines it with Rip Rock and makes it flow neatly through his property..
Turns out these channels are designated as "Federal Wetlands" and he had to return it to the muddy mess it was :(
When we replaced the bad culvert that channels one under our road I called just to make sure we could install a larger culvert LOL wasn't taking any chances..
Many of these old laws go way back the the "Range War" days when people would dam off steams and dry out their neighbors
Here we go with the Govt haters.
The fact is the EPA does a great job but they are set up to deal with big problems and big outfits. They are not set up to deal with private citizens and small time operators and sometimes they just get it wrong.
So of course the Govt haters love these stories so they can blow it out of proportion and make it seem like the EPA is out of control and out to deprive everyone of their civil rights.
If the EPA was gone tomorrow everyone would suffer.
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Originally Posted by honedright
I don't know if you are aware that there will be a referendum in Britain in June as to whether we should exit the European Union. It's just this kind of government by unelected officials that is getting people down - along with the economic mis-management and gravy train that Brussels has become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uzi
On a recent visit to Britain, Mr Obama made a speech in which he encouraged the population to stay in the EU and some people have applauded that saying that it responds to the USA - in other words we are part of a United States of Europe. The reality is a little different in that the real analogy is to a pan-American organisation whereby unelected officials from say Mexico, Guatamala and Colombia get to legislate how much the USA should pay into the central budget. Oh, and everyone in the club enjoys unrestricted free access to move from country to country claiming the same benefits regardless of whether they work or have paid into the scheme. And don't forget that healthcare is free at the point of delivery - which is pretty good encouragement to move and bring your parents and grandparents afterwards.
What the USA as a country has experienced over the last 8 years has been going on in Britain since the 1970s.
Who hates government? I love government. Imagine where we'd be without government. But government is like a good guard dog. I like guard dogs. Especially when they do what they were intended for, but not when they go around biting the neighbors and sh!tting in my house.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Distrusting the government is necessary to good citizenship, part of the check and balances.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Being vigilant with government to make sure it does it's job and nothing more is a good thing however many truly hate it and would blow it up if they had the chance.
Are you not confusing freedom lovers with anarchists?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
The Second Coming
By William Butler Yeats
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Originally Posted by UKRob
There is a difference between doing away with Government as an exercise and wanting to reign it in to the point of it being unable to do it's job or only do what one segment of the population wants it to do or not do.
America set itself apart from Europe in 1776, 240 years ago, way ahead of it's time. Since about the early mid 20th century, America, under the influence of progressive era ideology, has been moving backwards (ironic, eh?) towards being more and more like Europe and has been afflicted more and more by the types of problems experienced by European countries. But Americans seem to like this change as they keep voting for representatives who promote and maintain progressive policy. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKRob
Dang Jimmy !! You made me run over & peek out the window !! :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Oh, PEEK out the window. I almost though I read something else....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirlau
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Originally Posted by honedright
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. Thomas Jefferson