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    It is hard for me to believe that after 2 years of this pandemic we are still arguing about it as if the dead horse has not been beaten enough already. Personally I am kind of tired of it and if I could figure out how I would lock this thread.

    There are basically 2 different factions with a little variation within the 2. Neither side is going to convince the other. A bunch of old guys going after each other on a forum that is supposed to be about straight razors is not going to help, change or improve anything.

    I have my own opinions but those that disagree are just as convinced as I am. I think we've all made up our minds what we believe. I don't see how a bunch of geezers sitting around talking about this are going to make anything any better. I would say that you guys need to get a hobby but as this is supposed to be a hobby site I'm not really sure what to say beyond that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulFLUS View Post
    It is hard for me to believe that after 2 years of this pandemic we are still arguing about it as if the dead horse has not been beaten enough already. Personally I am kind of tired of it and if I could figure out how I would lock this thread.

    There are basically 2 different factions with a little variation within the 2. Neither side is going to convince the other. A bunch of old guys going after each other on a forum that is supposed to be about straight razors is not going to help, change or improve anything.

    I have my own opinions but those that disagree are just as convinced as I am. I think we've all made up our minds what we believe. I don't see how a bunch of geezers sitting around talking about this are going to make anything any better. I would say that you guys need to get a hobby but as this is supposed to be a hobby site I'm not really sure what to say beyond that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    Really now!

    Glen, do you remember a time when Vaccines were looked upon as a godsend. Smallpox, Polio, Tetanus, Rubella, Measles, just to name a few. If they didn't exist most of us here would never have been born because our parents or before would have been wiped out or been seriously and permanently affected. Folks lined up enmasse to get the shots.

    I was just making a point of asking at what point do people stop refusing a vaccine.

    That has got to be the worst argument for Evolution ever made..

    People weigh Risk vs Reward and decide with their doctors, if the reward outweighs the risk then they line up and get the shots..
    We also trusted the Medical Establishment much more back then, the loss of trust falls squarely on them with this... They lied, most of you took the Vaccine when they told you it was 95% effective at stopping the virus. If that had been true we wouldn't be where we are at now
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulFLUS View Post
    It is hard for me to believe that after 2 years of this pandemic we are still arguing about it as if the dead horse has not been beaten enough already. Personally I am kind of tired of it and if I could figure out how I would lock this thread.

    There are basically 2 different factions with a little variation within the 2. Neither side is going to convince the other. A bunch of old guys going after each other on a forum that is supposed to be about straight razors is not going to help, change or improve anything.

    I have my own opinions but those that disagree are just as convinced as I am. I think we've all made up our minds what we believe. I don't see how a bunch of geezers sitting around talking about this are going to make anything any better. I would say that you guys need to get a hobby but as this is supposed to be a hobby site I'm not really sure what to say beyond that.
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    Dearest Paul?....

    Okay, how about this? Since, as the original poster I am supposed to maintain the decorem of the thread and see that it stays on topic or however it goes let me refer you to the original post and quote myself, "Hopefully this can be free from politics and societal wrangling, just a pictorial guide with a synopsis of what it means." That being the case this is off topic. Since we are supposed to be respectful to each other I will ask your pardon for the tone of my previous remarks and politely ask that respect is shown in return.
    I know that some people enjoy debating/arguing or whatever you want to call it and I have my own moments. That is not what this thread was started for.
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    Here's an interesting study done in 145 countries that shows limited impact of vaccines on the lowering of cases of Covid and even a slight increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thp001 View Post
    I don't see why the people that end up causing a strain on the medical institutions and putting the staff in danger shouldn't be taxed to help pay for their largely self inflicted smoking problems.


    I don't see why the people that end up causing a strain on the medical institutions and putting the staff in danger shouldn't be taxed to help pay for their largely self inflicted eating problems.


    I don't see why the people that end up causing a strain on the medical institutions and putting the staff in danger shouldn't be taxed to help pay for their largely self inflicted drug problems.


    I don't see why the people that end up causing a strain on the medical institutions and putting the staff in danger shouldn't be taxed to help pay for their largely self inflicted drinking problems.


    These all cost way more money than COVID has or will.


    As far as socialized medicine goes the NHS is an absolute shitshow.
    Your making my point for me Tem, except the other resource draing problems ae not puting others and front line workers in mortal danger.

    NHS is a shitshow?

    Just as well you moved to the States I guess, hows that medical working out for ya, nice and free like the Nationa Health is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    No because after 3 shots that didn't work the doctors would have been killed in the most brutal ways of the Dark Ages...

    I can't believe some of you are so far away from the current science, probably still wearing your cloth masks too

    Please catch up with the science, you are quoting stats and facts that are way out of date


    ps: the mortality rate of the Plague was nowhere near 100%, (Best guess was 30% -70%) and the mortality rate of Covid it about 1%
    Hi Glen,
    Just a few observations.

    The Bubonic plague may have been 30% - 70% I don't actually know but the mortality rate was high either way, it wiped out half of Europe and half of Africa. It was a scary time for sure and if there were vaccines back then I imagine people wouldn't have politely lined up to get one. They would have looted the pharmacies and helped themselves.

    I believe that a large part of vaccine hesitancy is that some people are playing the pandemic down and saying it's not dangerous, it's only got a 1% mortality rate.

    Forgive me if I am wrong but wasn't the US leading the world in Covid cases and deaths not too long ago?

    I do wear a cotton mask, I can choose which one to wear to go with my shirt

    Seriously though, I leave the house about once a fortnight, to get groceries etc, not because of covid, swmbo is not well and finds it difficult to go out, anyway, I prefer to stay home and shave
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    Quote Originally Posted by STF View Post
    Your making my point for me Tem, except the other resource draing problems ae not puting others and front line workers in mortal danger.
    Consider also, that those using those resource draining items are paying far more in "sin" taxes than those that don't. They are already paying a surcharge so the extra cost of medical care is baked in. Not too many governments have banned the sale/importation of those products either preferring to have the taxes from. Recently cannabis was legalised here adding recreational drugs to the list of taxable items. Nobody wants to give up those money makers from governments to corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STF View Post
    Hi Glen,


    Seriously though, I leave the house about once a fortnight, to get groceries etc, not because of covid, swmbo is not well and finds it difficult to go out, anyway, I prefer to stay home and shave

    Risk vs Reward:

    Social Distancing:
    For us that is a way of life and has been for 20 years now... If I were living in the city still and in the people business's that I used to be in my risk vs reward equation would be very different, this is why I don't tell you or anyone else what they should do

    Vaccine:
    This is a simple equation, note that I have NEVER said what you should do, NOT once in any of these threads..
    Everyone should be free to make that calculation, hopefully with their family doctor involved.
    What I argue against is a Mandate or Forced inoculations, I also SMDH at the abundance of outdated, disproved, info that certain people on here post when the newest info is a simple click away..
    I do disagree that the biggest part of vaccine hesitancy is the downplaying of the virus I think it is "Loss of Trust in the Medical Beau acracy" they lied from day one, that is on them.
    In the US we went from Biden/Harris saying that the Trump vaccine wasn't to be trusted, to "Take the Vaccine NOW or we will hurt you" this is all within a short time.
    I think people don't trust liars




    Masks:
    Yes I knew The 3 Letter Groups were full of crap on day one when they said DON"T wear a mask.
    This evolved not as the virus changed, but as supplies changed, any of us that use a mask / respirator in our daily lives spread it far and wide that unless you were wearing at the very least an N95 properly fitted you were simply fooling yourself..
    I remember being told I should listen to the medical experts, well they just admitted I and other like me were right all along, they tempered that revelation under Omicron but there it is.
    "Proper masks fitted properly work" same thing I have said since Dec 2019 I never changed.. Cloth masks are a face decoration at best and a germ collector at worst..

    Care rationing:
    I am hearing this on our side of the border also, luckily we live in the Free State of Idaho we can still be prescribed and receive most any Therapy our Doctors decide might help..
    We learned quite a bit when we tested positive for Delta back in October, our Doctors were most helpful and informative...
    If and when you say that people should be punished for their health care/ life style choices I am reminded of the social outcry when the AIDS epidemic was at it's height and people said the same.. Don't do that it is simply wrong...
    Keep in mind the very old adage

    "The thin veneer of Civilization is never more than 9 meals from Anarchy" This could very well be true of health care too
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