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Originally Posted by Rayzor

ok ok im sorry

ill rephrase that

with all due respect, they say propaganda doesn't work on us highlly inteligemunt Americans

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It appears that your only intent with this thread was to rile people up as opposed to having any civil discourse!

Try your game else where Sir!

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Originally Posted by norman931

If an A-bomb were dropped on an American city today, it would be defined a terrorist act, no matter who did it, and for whatever reason. The politicians who throw these words around don't seem to realize that we live in a glass house. I love America, and I am a veteran, but I don't think we have a great deal to be self-righteous about.

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these are words of truth

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Originally Posted by Blade Wielder

Actually, "objective" is a better word to use than "slanted." ...The 9/11 attackers... set out to ...bring a defiant enemy to its knees in a fell swoop. The civilian lives lost on that day were a fraction of those lost to the many bombings in Japan. The point is, each attacker viewed their actions as "necessary," and neither thought of themselves as "terrorists" in the undertaking.

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also words of truth

There is no correlation between the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan, and the acts of the radical terrorists. None whatsoever! Two nations were at war, declared war, and we did what was required to win, and save American lives. Look at the invasion of Iwo Jima, and the devastation which was wrought on that small island, and then try to imagine the sheer devastation which would have ensued if we were required to physically invade Japan. I feel that the atomic bombs, as devastating as they were, actually saved lives, from both countries.

Matt

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Originally Posted by mhailey

There is no correlation between the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan, and the acts of the radical terrorists. None whatsoever! ...imagine the sheer devastation which would have ensued if we were required to physically invade Japan. I feel that the atomic bombs, as devastating as they were, actually saved lives, from both countries.

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this is testament to excellent marketing aka propaganda of our US government

army genral and president dwight eisenhower said:

"...and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."



navy admiral chester nimitz said:

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan."



General MacArthur has said that Japan would have surrendered before the bombings if the US had notified Japan that it would accept a surrender that allowed the Emperor to keep his title as leader of Japan, a condition the U.S. did in fact allow after Japan surrendered.

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Originally Posted by Rayzor

this is testament to excellent marketing aka propaganda of our US government

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Tell that to my grandfather who fought on Iwo.

my grandpa died in omaha beach

i respect and am very thankful of the sacrafice so many have made for us to enjoy life

i hope we can someday enjoy life without such mass murder as jewish holocost, or nuclear bombs on japan, invade iraq, etc, etc, etc, etc

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Originally Posted by Rayzor

my grandpa died in omaha beach

i respect and am very thankful of the sacrafice so many have made for us to enjoy life

i hope we can someday enjoy life without such mass murder as jewish holocost, or nuclear bombs on japan, invade iraq, etc, etc, etc, etc

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You go from jerk to nice guy and back again fairly easily don't you? Or am I misreading you?

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Originally Posted by gugi

But I'll be really surprised if the only consideration was the surrender of Japan. I just can't imagine how a demonstration to to rest of the world of the new military capability of US hasn't been just as important.

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maybe even more important :w