Originally Posted by
jockeys
KP, first off, good thread. Don't really agree with you, but good thread. This is why I like SRP!
Some thoughts:
1. you seem to think that the producer is, to some degree, screwing the consumer by getting more benefit from the trade. well, the consumer is BUYING it, so at some point he earned the money by being a producer of his own. so, even if the cobbler is screwing me when I buy shoes, I'm going to screw him right back when he buys something from my store, because I'm getting more benefit that him by selling him one of the countless widgets I produce that he needs. in essence, I am trying to say that all consumers are producers, at some level. no one is only a consumer, and no one is only a producer, so I would view your pebble game as oversimplifying the problem. Nobody's screwing anybody, everybody benefits from trade, but some people will benefit more. There's nothing morally (or in any other way) wrong with that. The point of this game is that everyone can do what is best and right, and we can still not get a good solution. Furthermore, not everybody produces countless "things" they could never use themselves to trade. Some people trade labor. Trading labor will always get you less of a benefit than trading something else.
2. you say capitalism has failed; I say it never got a chance. true lassez faire capitalism, afaik, has NEVER been implemented in the modern world. the current system we have here (I am American) is a sad, socialist mockery of real capitalism, and furthermore, (boy, the other rabid libertarians are gonna love me for this) that the government's constant interference with free trade is what's ruining it, not the idea itself. I still believe true free trade would be far superior. we aren't likely to find out, though, the gov't seems to enjoy riding around snug and secure in the pockets of anti-competitive lobbyists. No pure economic theory has ever been implemented, from pure capitalism to pure communism, or even pure feudalism. There have always been elements of other organizations that are retained from historical periods, and advancements from other systems that have been added on in a more or less ad hoc way. But more or less free exchange systems have been tried. It was prevalent Great Britain before and during the Irish Potato Famine, and it was prevalent in the US in the era of the robber barons. And I agree with you that it is better than any other pure economic theory that has been tried before. That doesn't mean it is perfect.
3. assuming you are correct, and capitalism is doomed to failure, what would you propose as an alternative? (not being antagonistic, just curious)