Taxes?

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Originally Posted by jockeys

if the answer to all 4 questions is yes, I have no problem with the government doing it, and taxing everyone (myself included) fairly to pay for it.

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What's unfair about taxing everybody based on the level of privilege that they've achieved by making use of the system set up by a government?

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Originally Posted by ScottS

What's unfair about taxing everybody based on the level of privilege that they've achieved by making use of the system set up by a government?

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I don't understand the question. Translation please?

Why not tax the government according to the level of privilege it has achieved by making use of the system set up by its citizens? It already spends money it doesn't have so it may as well spend it on me!

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Originally Posted by ScottS

What's unfair about taxing everybody based on the level of privilege that they've achieved by making use of the system set up by a government?

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I need clarification on this. define privilege and making use. not sure what you mean.

It's the same people who cry laissez-faire that seem to be the biggest flat taxers. Laissez-faire would treat the government just like any other business entity. Taxes are what we pay for playing on this field. If businesses or individuals feel they're paying too much tax, they can move-- and in fact, this happens, with people changing states to avoid local taxes all the time.

If enough move, the tax base drops, and taxes will be lowered to bring the folks back in.

Regardless of the structure, one can say that its brutally fair in that anyone who doesn't like it is free to find something more palatable. In fact, those who pay the highest rates are probably the most mobile folks in our society.

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Originally Posted by jockeys

I need clarification on this. define privilege and making use. not sure what you mean.

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"Privilege" would mean those who are living the best in this society. You pay the most to fly first class, and nobody forces you to fly first class.

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Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Under the rules of the constitution the only tax mentioned was taxing imported items, wouldnt it be nice having the chinese pay our taxes?:D

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16th Amendment

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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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Sounds pretty clear to me.

16th amendment, eh? Check out The Law That Never Was -- The Fraud of Income & Social Security Tax -- Home - I guess some would claim that the amendment was never ratified by 75% of the states, but was announced as ratified anyway.

I've always wondered how on earth such an amendment could have been passed by 3/4 of the states at any period. I need to refresh myself on early 20th century US history

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Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Every senior citizen gets Medicare, not just the ones who planned badly. It was to prevent people on fixed incomes from being bankrupted by rising medical (and long-term care) costs.


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Originally Posted by jockeys

and yet, it was the ones who did well that spent their whole lives paying for it.

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Actually, every Senior Citizen has access to Medicare, and those who pay the premiums in retirement get Medicare. It is not free.

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

16th amendment, eh? Check out The Law That Never Was -- The Fraud of Income & Social Security Tax -- Home - I guess some would claim that the amendment was never ratified by 75% of the states, but was announced as ratified anyway.

I've always wondered how on earth such an amendment could have been passed by 3/4 of the states at any period. I need to refresh myself on early 20th century US history

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42 of 48 States at the time ratified the Amendment.

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Originally Posted by ScottS

42 of 48 States at the time ratified the Amendment.

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Have you examined the evidence?