Hey Glen, have I got a deal for you! You can buy my portion of the bailout for a measly $10k. What do you think of that! The investment is the offer of a lifetime, don't pass it up.
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Hey Glen, have I got a deal for you! You can buy my portion of the bailout for a measly $10k. What do you think of that! The investment is the offer of a lifetime, don't pass it up.
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Well, it is interesting to see how the definition of these political terms become interwoven with the failed practical implementations or misnomers observed throughout history.
Anyway, if we use that logic to define societal, economic, and political systems, I am sure in light of the current spectacular failure of the world's largest Capitalist system we should be able to refine the definition of Capitalism lickety split! Any takers? :)
With regards the bail-out, I am no expert on these things but it seems to me a very strange circumstance when the bail-out is directed at the iceberg that punched a hole in the hull.
James.
Actually, neither fascists nor socialists are fundamentally totalitarian. Such a political system is nowhere prescribed in either philosophy.
Both, by the way, are primarily economic systems -- socialist especially so.
Fascism's underlying principle is that the purpose of government is to support business -- underwrite it if necessary.
Socialism's underlying principle is that the means of production should belong not to corporations and individuals, but to the people collectively.
Both run into trouble because fundamental human nature makes them unworkable. Human greed messes things up. Socialism gets into trouble because equality tends to deny liberty, which stifles ambition and greed. (One is good; the other not so much). Fascism has problems because inevitably, the interests of business diverge from that of individuals, and average people find themselves working for the good of plutocrats and oligarchs who exploit them. Socialism has problems because the society devolves into workers and drones (who often are the bureaucrats) and the workers rather resent the situation.
In both cases, the ruling elite finds that to maintain power, they need to suppress dissent and limit individual freedom. But in neither case is that the original purpose.
What we're in right now is a fascist scenario. The government has taken restraint off of capitalists whose greed has driven the economy into the ditch. Now we, the people, have to bail out these crooks before their malfeasance ruins us all. It's a truly hateful situation.
Neither extreme works. If we stifle liberty, the economy stalls. But if we don't control market forces, people are exploited, the environment suffers, and we spend our lives in an endless cycle of boom/bust.
We need balance between the two.
j
Just because you call something socialist doesn't make it so. What about the German Democratic Republic, which was East Germany, I don't remember it being very democratic?Quote:
Originally Posted by nun2sharp
RIP : Constitutional Rights in the USA -- You are all now debt slaves.
Final betrayal : Having given up your money to Wall Street, you will find your savings also being destroyed.
Those who give up their civil rights for capital gain deserve neither.
Dow Jones index and Dollar are already dropping after the YES vote. I am at a loss. As a person that has the misfortune of living in America I see all that the founding fathers had fought for today taken away.
These men are the worst of society; they are the most vile, hateful, and greedy. They represent not the American people, but their own desires. History has told their tale many times but in the enforced ignorance of the public school system they have taught our children how NOT to be able to identify them.
In the past America was great because they held within their grasp the right of self-determination. No longer. Our leaders would like us to believe that Muslims are responsible for the majority of 'terrorism' in the world. I say NO. The same men that used the events of that day in Sept. have struck again bringing America to its knees, destroying whatever hope remained of this country returning to its former 'glory'.
Today is a day of mourning the death of liberty and freedom in America. The doors of fascism will soon swing wide open and remove the last vestiges of what was once the United States of America.
RIP America
If you want hope and change, vote Obama '08 :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by denmason
To lead us further down the primrose path! Not that McCain would be much better but much slower!Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
Hope is for people who have no faith left.
Actually, you have it exactly backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by denmason
j
No Jim, he's got it right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nord Jim
Anyone up for a game of "Banker Bullsh*t Bingo"!
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Matter of opinion, I guess. Faith always is.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
j
Yea, there was darkness across the land, and pestilence was rife. The greedy lenders and traders had consumed all of the silver, and the peasants pockets were empty. The peasants went to the well to feed their families, but the well was dry.
‘What happened?” cried the Peasants.
“We have toiled and slaved in the fields every day….”
“We have paid our yearly tithes in silver to the almighty beast in Washington-Upon-the-Potomac, and watched as their demands have grown ever larger year upon year…..”
“We wait for some small dribble of silver to return to our towns and villages, but, nay, we wait in vain, while the cats in the Capitol upon the Hill get fatter and fatter….”
“And now we hear that the Earls and Squires want more of our silver…. much more…. More silver than any of us can even imagine in our wildest dream…..”
“Hundreds upon billions of pieces of silver….”
And the peasants were angry… and during the day, they gathered at the well, and found that they were all of one voice
And in the evenings, they gathered at the inns and taverns and found again, that they were all of one voice….
And so riders were sent to the Capitol upon the Hill…. And they came from far and wide across the land …. And their voice was one…
‘Do not do this thing!’ they cried… ‘for we have not the money, and the corpulent traders and lenders brought this upon themselves…. Let them spend their own money !!”
But the overfed felines that prowled the cold, dank hallways of Capitol-upon-the-Hill were found to have their hands and fingers in the pockets of the corpulent traders and lenders….
And when the peasants across the land cried “If you do this terrible thing, we will have no money, for you will have spent it all…. And our children will have no money, for you will have spent all of their money, too….and our children’s children’s money…. Nay, do not this thing, for if you do, what will we eat???!”
And then Sir Barney the Frank (a pox upon his house!), spokesman for all of the evil Squires and Earls in the Capitol–upon-the-Hill cried:
“Fear not!! For I have a solution!”
‘"Let them eat Pork!!!”
-whatever
-Lou
He's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackQuote:
Originally Posted by Scarface
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What happened to Sir McCain the slayer of all that is pork?
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Originally Posted by Hutch
Ah yes..... Sir McCain, Slayer of Pork, and hero of the land.!!!
Sir McCain, riding upon his snowy-white charging steed, returned to Washington-Upon-the Potomoc, to slay the pork and feed the people.....
.... but alas, his steed stumbled, and Sir McCain was pitched into the sodden street, and wound up covered with mud and dung, and instead of feeding the people, he only fed the madness.
.... and there was an angry murmur across the land.
-whatever
-Lou
wb Lou,
While you were gone there has been a cultural change. The new stories read like:
Vincent: "Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood."
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Originally Posted by gugi
I know naught of what you speake..... I am only a teller of tales..... a mere bard upon the highway...
-whatever
-Lou
All I'm saying is that if you don't want do starve to death you may want to update the stories you're telling - the stories of old don't buy even (pan)cakes these days. If you want bacon and muffins you need to have a good market strategy.
Damn shame to loose a good bard to famine, just 'cause he can't adapt his stories :)
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Originally Posted by gugi
Sir, I fart in your general direction!__:D
-whatever
-Lou.
(with props to Monty Python)
Must be my lucky day - the wind is blowing from me to you!
OK, you convinced me, I shall reciprocate.
-whatever
gugi