Can anyone say Hitler Youth?
YouTube - Sing for Change Obama
Comments anyone?
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Can anyone say Hitler Youth?
YouTube - Sing for Change Obama
Comments anyone?
I guess somebody else thought it reminded them of Hitlers youth as it has been removed!
The video was a group of very beautiful children singing the praises of Obama urged on by what I can only assume was their parents!
It was reminiscent of the youth that dictators gather together to sing to them, or follow them around as to make the dictator appear benign and loving!
I wanted to throw up!
Yikes!!!! Man someone got all over that pretty darn quick. :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
Without being able to see it, I can't really comment.
But isn't this type of stuff typical for american politics? I imagine the same type of thing goes on at McCain publicity event. Perhaps not singing, but it'll be a speech or something or other.
The pledge of allegiance is a similar sort of mandatory unification / polarization charade.
In all my years, I have seen nothing like this in American politics, Bruno!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I haven't been able to actually see the video so I don't know how bad it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I guess I shouldn't make comments either as no one else will see it either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
How exactly did you find such video?
If you look around yourself with an open mind you'll be surprised how many things will invoke similar associations. A good book to reread is animal farm.
That's why I mentioned the pledge of allegiance. A nice piece of dissent quelling material if there ever was one. And if you disagree it is all to easy to get marked as un[atriotic and unAmerican.Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
What about hymns? Aren't most of them singing about Christ the spiritual leader?
It played just fine for me:shrug:
It's weird, but nothing new. Kids have been singing the praises of their parent's favorite cadidates for a long time. What scares me is the "we're gonna change the world, rearrange it" bit. That little girl has no idea:eek:
Well, it does have shades of "Die Knechtschaft dauert nur mehr kurze Zeit", but anyone that would tear up and be convinced to vote for Obama because of this would probably tear up and be convinced that every time a lion is born in Africa, some monkey stands up on a cliff and holds it up for the zebras to see. "Hey, turds! Here's the next king that's going to gobble you up..." (What am I saying? That's EXACTLY like American politics.) We have only ourselves to blame for this kind of crap, from both sides of the aisle, because it's just this sort of symbolism over substance (to borrow a loathed phrase) that we've been touting. The one thing that made me throw up a little bit in my mouth was the phrase, "...we are going to change the world." Oh, really? Under whose auspices? With what mandate? Hey, Bruno, we're going to change Belguim for you, because, well... you know... it needs to be CHANGED! And we know better than you do how it should be changed, see? Yeah. I don't ever recall reading anywhere in the Constitution that the President of the U.S. is granted authority to run anything at all outside of the U.S. Leader of the "free world" indeed. It makes me so sick.
Well Mark are you looking for a real opinion or only what agrees with your sentiment?
Those poor kids. I don't know exactly what to say, and probably shouldn't say here. :cen
+1 on this statement. And who cares anyway? My kids aren't in this video. :shrug: Now if he gets elected and starts rounding up Jewish people and sending them to concentration camps I might play the Hitler youth card. Until then I just don't care about stuff like this or any propaganda as I don't let it influence me.
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Originally Posted by Quick Orange
Onward Christian soldier, marching as to war with the cross of Jesus going on before!Quote:
Originally Posted by majurey
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/%7Ejamie/images/musical-note.gif
I wouldnt let my kid sing for either candidate. Its like mothers who force their daughters to do the beauty pageants, living thru their kids.
I asked what you thought, didn't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
Hmmmm...you mean like these vids?
YouTube - Mitt Romney Song
YouTube - Little Girl's Patriotism
YouTube - Children's Choir Greets Bush and Peres
The kids singing for the Obama campaign could have been singing for any cause, anywhere in the US, for either party, or at any church, or summer camp, or youth center.
I listened to it and only heard Obama's name mentioned in the beginning, the rest was how "we" (the kids singing are going to make changes, "we" are going to do this, etc.
I found the labeling of this by the Conservatives as a hymn to "Dear Leader" Obama or other such comments to be puerile.
Using children for political purposes is as old as politics - and is sad and in bad taste regardless of the party involved.
However, as noted here, parents will force their kids into anything - sports, beauty pageants, music lessons, youth groups, etc. It depends on whether the kids wants to participate or if the parent is living through the child, hoping to fulfill some personal fantasy. To wit, the dad arrested for assaulting a coach becasue Junior didn't get to pick his hat and jersey first or the mom who asked brother-in-law to hire a hit man to kill the mom of another cheerleader competing against her daughter for a spot on the cheer leading squad or the mother who assaulted an 11-year old boy becasue he was cheering for the team playing against hers on.
Will it influence my vote? Only as far as supporting any potential bond issue that would raise funds for music and vocal training.
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Well you've asked what I thought before and whined when I told you. But if you really want to know, kids learn what they are taught. That little girl is singing what the adults around her organized. I am sure if you decided you kid should start campaigning for your favorite candidate, you probably post the video with great pride. The net result is, who gives a crap?Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I saw a cable TV documentary about the church that organizes protests at the funerals of soldiers sent back in aluminum boxes from IRAQ. There were little children maybe six years old screaming hatred against the USA and homosexuality in the name of some god. People teach their kids all sorts of politics and religion. That is why I always advise parents to teach their kids to question authority, especially their own authority. Let kids learn by observing the outside world. Expose kids to various cultures, music, politics and religions. Make kids eat many types of food and then ask them if they like it. Kids learn very quickly, faster than most parents can even grasp. Watch a kid play a new video game. It is remarkable how fast they advance. Why is that? Because a child's mind is not cluttered with prejudicial factors. They aren't worried about bills or bosses. They watch and learn with an open mind. It is your responsibility to keep your kid's mind open. Unless of course you are truly omniscient.
Why did the video get taken down from youtube?
Hey Lee, you are right. The video is no longer available. Maybe the little girl's parents are Republicans and they just found out that some subversive Democratic left wing cult has been brainwashing their daughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
Wow, that's probably the greatest fear I have for my own daughter. That sent chills up my spine!Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
ok, in all fairness, the Hitler Youth sang much better than those kids. so it's really not a very nice comparison.
Alright, this is accurate, but in all fairness to kids who try and sing everywhere and don't sing as well as the Hitler Youth, they aren't being shot if they sing off key. :roflmao:roflmao:roflmao
Man, I shot cereal out my nose when I read this!
Thanks,
-Rob
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Originally Posted by jockeys
Hey, this is great singing! And what's wrong with these children have an optomistic view of the future? Arise! Arise!Quote:
Originally Posted by sicboater
YouTube - Cabaret - Tomorrow Belongs to Me
Ouch! I hope it wasn't Chex or something with rough edges!
:roflmao
Following up on icedog's comments, parents have always tried to make their kids smaller versions of them - be it to pass on cultural traditions, religion, national pride, whatever. The real challenge is to pass these things on to your kids, but not alienate them to other views in the process. That is where having an informed understanding of your views and beliefs comes in handy, as opposed to just spouting off what you heard/were told by someone else. Then you can answer your kids' questions.
Both my parents were moderate-to-conservative, but valued education and information over indoctrination and propaganda. If they did not know or could not explain something, we went to the encyclopedia or library to find the answer. I was never told that a view was wrong, except when it came to the basic rules of society and humanity (don't cheat, don't steal, don't murder, etc.). Thus, it is hard for me to place myself in any one camp - it depends on the issue. I must view every issue within my own personal context, be it as a technical professional, a veteran, a Midwesterner, an Orthodox Christian, a former police officer, a Freemason, a homeowner, a hunter, a pet owner, whatever. I have never followed any party or group blindly. I have always believed that if there is a discussion of positions on various topics and there is 100% agreement on every topic, someone isn't thinking.
I think that older kids (high school) should be exposed to the political process and should be encouraged to participate in voicing their opinions and views, provided they can support them with facts and they are not just parrotting their parents views.
I ownder how many parents would allow that?
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Originally Posted by sicboater
hey, even though they don't sing as well, maybe one of these kids will grow up to be Pope, eh?
Huh?
Now I am lost...:o
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Originally Posted by jockeys
I believe he is referring to the current pope having been in the Hitler Youth....however, membership was not voluntary at the time......
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Originally Posted by sicboater
If my parents didn't know something, we went to the bible to find the answer. How's that for indoctrination?Quote:
Originally Posted by WireBeard
And I've worked in several libraries helping people get answers to things they didn't know or couldn't explain so I guess I could argue there's a connection :shrug: :D
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgh! It's a conspiracy!!!!! Eeeeeek!Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
:roflmao
Correct, Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth from the mandatory age of 14.Quote:
Originally Posted by WireBeard
Pope Benedict XVI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm glad you guys are having so much fun with this thread!!:D:D:D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That is PRICELESS!
:roflmao:roflmao:roflmao:roflmao
Man I bet that guy can SING!
I was very careful not to be eating when I opened this thread back up. Good thing too!
Okay,
Sorry for the Thread Hijacking JMS!
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Originally Posted by jockeys