...He said what?

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Originally Posted by JMS

Is this just an inept government and president or is it by design?

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I think it is both. A malevolent half-wit can cause a lot of problems, even when its nefarious designs are faulty

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Originally Posted by JMS

I mean are we looking at another Carter style government or are we looking at something more sinister...or not?

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I doubt it is anymore sinister. We are just closer to the black hole now than we were 30+ years ago because it's easier to fall down than to climb up

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Originally Posted by JMS

One last question: Do we as Americans, be they democrat, republican, independent, etc, etc have the wherewithal, The balls as it were to push this country away from the precipice to which it is heading.

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As a whole, no. It depends on what those with the balls are capable of doing, and what those without the balls are capable of undoing. Without a huge turnover in Congress to let new politicians with the right balls (drupal-less) in, it will be very difficult to see a major change in direction away from the downward spiral

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Originally Posted by JMS

So what are your thoughts on the state of affairs of the USA at this time in history and would you like to see Obama as a dictator?

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I would like to see Obama as the dictator of his own facebook page or something along those lines. He is such a great social reformer and community network facilitator I think he could really do well there, and not cause much serious harm like he can where he is now

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Originally Posted by gugi

Don't worry too much though, one day your guys will be in power again and you'll be once again happily oblivious to such questions.

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*yawn*

Ever the boring cynic, gugi. Fly back up to your lonely perch where you can study us illogical creatures from afar

I have yet to see you offer any creative ideas in your responses in Mark's 'stirring' threads - please do not bore me with your next reply. I came all the way out of hiding in the desperate hope that you will not disappoint :)

The problem with kicking all the bums out of congress as inviting a thought as it may seem and bringing in radically different people is you really don't know where these people are coming from and what they really stand for and what I would see is just increased polarization over what we have now. Besides no matter who you get in there as long as our system stays the same it will break them like a mustang and before long they will be like all the others.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The problem with kicking all the bums out of congress as inviting a thought as it may seem and bringing in radically different people is you really don't know where these people are coming from and what they really stand for and what I would see is just increased polarization over what we have now. Besides no matter who you get in there as long as our system stays the same it will break them like a mustang and before long they will be like all the others.

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Better the devil you know huh?

Problem is with anyone we elect is we tend to be trusting of the people we elect and stop paying attention. This inattention bites us in the ass every time.
Maybe instead of trusting what we are is arrogant. We hold our own opinion in too high esyteem. I mean hell, we believed in them enough to vote for them and we couldn't possibly be wrong now could we!?

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

We read history books about countries who were great powers and are now second and third rate entities and wonder about that. We all are in the unique position of living that experience in this country right now.

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I'm in agreement. We absolutely WILL live that experience in this country for many reasons, none of which could be undone overnight even if the populace woke up tomorrow and reclaimed this country from the government or some such thing. Some reasons I can think of:

• Production of goods in large part are gone from this country and won't return if or until this country comes full circle after being third rate for generations. At that point our great great great grandchildren would line up to work for pennies a day and the BRIC nations (Brazil, Russia, India and China) would be too fat and lazy to really give a crap about taking pride in producing anything any more.
• The TOTALLY bogus myth that population control is a good thing worked and worked very well in the U.S. and Europe. So much so, that there won't be a population size large enough in a generation or two to be an economic power anyway. China will implode for this very reason as well with the one child per family mandate, but not before such a policy will impact the U.S. and Europe.
  
  • I still can't figure out why it's ok for millions of women to eliminate synthetic estrogens in the form of birth control from their bodies into the water supply affecting other humans and animals that happen to want to drink or live in said water, but I guess that's their choice.
• The U.S. in general has gotten lazy and sedated. The fault of the individual? Partly. But not without influence. I got rid of my TV over five years ago and I would NEVER go back to having one or watching one in my own home. I drive home at night sometimes and I really do get a sick feeling in my stomach when I see the eerie pale blue flickering light emanating from most every household along the way to mine. Seriously, I get a sick feeling. It's not right.

Heck, I think the changes in the U.S. are quite simply precautionary and preemptive measures put in place by the handlers for a time in the not too distant future when a very highly probable uprising for lack of most everything finally happens and the SHTF. It's been awhile, but I recall stumbling across some video of thousands of concrete above ground mass grave style containers being installed by the government in I believe Indiana or Illinois and Georgia if not other places. Why?

Preemptive Precautionary Planning.

And no, I don't wear a tinfoil hat nor do I think my house is bugged, etc.

Chris L

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I have yet to see you offer any creative ideas in your responses in Mark's 'stirring' threads - please do not bore me with your next reply. I came all the way out of hiding in the desperate hope that you will not disappoint :)

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I have a great creative idea - how about instead of parroting the unsubstantiated propaganda of foxnews, a thread on stuff that matters, i.e. discussion of policy.
You can't be too bored though - you haven't deleted any of your posts yet.

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Originally Posted by gugi

I have a great creative idea - how about instead of parroting the unsubstantiated propaganda of foxnews, a thread on stuff that matters, i.e. discussion of policy.
You can't be too bored though - you haven't deleted any of your posts yet.

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When Lee puts you in your place you should remain there Ivan ;):p