Qualifications for parents

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Originally Posted by bbshriver

And what do you suppose has caused this?

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Very good question bbshirver. Cuts to the chase. I believe it is the result of our society losing a moral compass. People are seekers and searchers and when society has only vacuous beliefs to offer, and pluralistic psycho-babble we get what a verse from an old song "no direction home..., like a rolling stone..." describes.

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Originally Posted by frank47

Very good question bbshirver. Cuts to the chase. I believe it is the result of our society losing a moral compass. People are seekers and searchers and when society has only vacuous beliefs to offer, and pluralistic psycho-babble we get what a verse from an old song "no direction home..., like a rolling stone..." describes.

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I don't think this is the case. Our modern society is far more moral than the ones before it. For example things like slavery, racism, gender equality, acknowledging the right of other people to be different even if you disagree with them, even considering that parents aren't free to treat their children as possessions.... way different than these things used to be.

Of course, some may consider the current views on these to be immoral, but I don't think anybody who has posted so far in this thread is like this.

I do realize that there is plenty of people who consider homosexuality to be immoral, or various other types of sexual behavior for that matter, but I'd say that most of these things are completely arbitrary.
Pedophilia, for example, used to be the way to go not too far back.

Gay, Straight, whatever. religious, atheist, whatever. All that really matters is that there is a roof over there heads food in there belly and that they have a good moral compass.

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Originally Posted by gugi

I don't think this is the case. Our modern society is far more moral than the ones before it. For example things like slavery, racism, gender equality, acknowledging the right of other people to be different even if you disagree with them, even considering that parents aren't free to treat their children as possessions.... way different than these things used to be.

Of course, some may consider the current views on these to be immoral, but I don't think anybody who has posted so far in this thread is like this.

I do realize that there is plenty of people who consider homosexuality to be immoral, or various other types of sexual behavior for that matter, but I'd say that most of these things are completely arbitrary.
Pedophilia, for example, used to be the way to go not too far back.

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I tastefully disagree. Most schools have metal detectors in them. Drug abuse, suicides, teen pregnancies, vulgarity, lack of respect, and abortions, just to mention a few, are all off the charts compared to 50 years ago. Our entertainment industry belongs in a toilet. Am I wrong?

The point of all of this is 1. the foster kids are property of the state. 2. if you dont' belive in the policies of the state, then you will not have the state's property placed into your guardianship.

the State can discriminate based upon religion, but the citizens cannot.

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Originally Posted by mhailey

The point of all of this is 1. the foster kids are property of the state. 2. if you dont' belive in the policies of the state, then you will not have the state's property placed into your guardianship.

the State can discriminate based upon religion, but the citizens cannot.

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I think you are splitting hairs the wrong way.

The state is not discriminating based on religion, but on whether they condone homosexuality. Like others have said, there are plenty of Christians that are okay with homosexuality.

It is flat out state sanctioned discrimination against a religious belief.

This thread is not about the tenants of Christianity, and whether or not Christianity is tolerant of homosexuality. As such I will not engage in such a discussion in this thread.

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Originally Posted by mhailey

It is flat out state sanctioned discrimination against a religious belief.

This thread is not about the tenants of Christianity, and whether or not Christianity is tolerant of homosexuality. As such I will not engage in such a discussion in this thread.

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No, its about basic human right. Whether or not a religious group condemns or condones it is beside the point.

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Originally Posted by markevens

For me, it isn't whether a parent teaches a kid their religion (which I think all religious parents will, and its not necessarily a bad thing) but whether or not they allow their child to doubt and question, and particularly whether or not they instill open-mindedness or close-mindedness.

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Well said This is basically what I'm trying to say.

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Originally Posted by frank47

MickR, just to know where you are coming from and where your bounds are, what if one of your kids decides to be a Roman Catholic priest or nun. What would you do?

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I am coming from the place that respects tolerance, and as one who tries very hard to be tolerant, even if I disagree with what is being said. Being human it doesn't always work that way, as my patience is limited just like anybody else's. My boundary is fairly wide, but within reason. If one of my children aspired to a life of religion, any religion, that would be their choice, and one that I would research, if necessary, to give them all the pro's and con's of, so that they would enter into it knowing full well what to expect,or search for something else. My children have not been baptised/indoctrinated into any one faith. They will be able to start with a clean slate into any religious venture they so choose to take...If they so choose to believe in any.

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Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Gay, Straight, whatever. religious, atheist, whatever. All that really matters is that there is a roof over there heads food in there belly and that they have a good moral compass.

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I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by frank47

I tastefully disagree. Most schools have metal detectors in them. Drug abuse, suicides, teen pregnancies, vulgarity, lack of respect, and abortions, just to mention a few, are all off the charts compared to 50 years ago. Our entertainment industry belongs in a toilet. Am I wrong?

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We don't all come from planet america! Yes, some of that occurs even in this little backwater called Australia. Compare all that to middle age Europe and I think you will find a lot of that happened then too...Well maybe not the metal detectors or schools part :).
I think you're right though, it is a big problem in the U.S. Did you know that the U.S has one of the highest percentage of their population who are devout christian...I guess religion isn't the answer if you look at all those issues together. High percentage of problems and high percentage of people who turn to god to solve all their problems...Might make a good argument for the atheists out there :D.

My extended family has people with a wide range of beliefs, I have devout catholics, devout church of england, devout buddist, practitioners of witchcraft and even dyed in the wool atheists. My Parents, Uncles, Aunts, Siblings and myself, all still get along just fine despite our chosen beliefs.


Mick

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Originally Posted by markevens

No, its about basic human right. Whether or not a religious group condemns or condones it is beside the point.

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I agree this thread is about basic human rights. The question is who/what determines what those rights are since they have to be "codified" some where, some how, some way.