I do not know if this is the right forum for this but here goes.
Carter shaving with a spoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oHz...el_video_title
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I do not know if this is the right forum for this but here goes.
Carter shaving with a spoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oHz...el_video_title
Those are crunch-berries, not corn flakes!
I think a spoon would be the easiest thing there is to hone. You should be able to just hold it flat and grind away.
he did not seem to comfortable wit it though.
I almost stopped it when he called his cereal "Corn Flakes," but I continued. When he got to the point where he said "Oh the luxury of being Murray Carter," I stopped it. I'm not interested in anyone so full of himself. If I wanted that I'd go back to reading about honing " Masters."
It's always a pleasure reading the words of one who so well explains what you believe yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Got no time for the man, myself.
My first impression upon reading the title and opening the thread was that he had quite a lather bowl there. Of course if shaving with a spoon is intended the rolling X is called for.
Or whom states their opinions in such an amicable manner!Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
Was that an "INOX" stamped on the tang of the spoon? I suspect the grind was "Full Hollow" the sound may have indicated it was a "Singing Razor" :)
bad enough we have to worry about Pakistani razors now we have to worry where the spoon was made.
It is not a rocket science to sharpen a spoon (or even a shovel if you so prefer) and shave with it.
The question is why? To show the world in 10.14 minutes how cool and manly you are?
O tempora o mores!
The bigger challenge would be to eat with that spoon. You could end up looking like the Joker with a permanent smile :)
It wasn't a spoon it was a spoon shaped object! I found it the clip mildly interesting and chose to take his potentially egotistical comments as tongue in cheek.
Fair play to him though he seems to be able to forge, temper and hone an object; as far as I can see its just a novel way to promote his business.
Murray has the CV. He's a legitimate fellow who was trained in Japan and passed his apprenticeship there. That makes him one of a very few non Japanese to do so. He must have got wind of the interest in Japanese style straight razors and made this video just to get some attention from likely buyers.
You have to admit, it does get attention. I found it fascinating that he flipped his razor to shave both ways. I can't see enough in the video to identify if it's a western grind or asymmetrically Japanese.
I guess I'll have to watch the thing to the end in order to see him get to a razor part.
That was a surprise to me too, I thought he is doing his usual "I am better than anybody" thing but then he pulled out a razor...Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Mike,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Blue
I've met with Nobel prize winners who didn't feel the need to crow about great they are.
But I digress.
Your comment piqued my interest, so I checked the Kamisori out.
He said it's an asymmetrical design (he used the Japanese "Kataha") and he said "It's steel on the back and mild steel on the front." In addition, he also said "it's a beautiful razor and you can see the evidence of the hammering on it" and I thought "Thanks for telling me and not showing me."
I watched the vid. I didn't find it offensive or irritating. If he was a hack, it would be one thing, but as Mike said, he's got the cred and actively produces work. His sense of humor doesn't amuse me, but unfortunately my stoic nature seems to inhibit me from being amused willy-nilly.
Chris L
Early in my straight razor career, I shaved with a couple home honed razors that felt as if I was shaving with a spoon (that is the Corn Flakes kind.) I dunno, I guess to each his own but I'm not sure why anyone would want to shave with a spoon (other than the aforementioned commercial/marketing stunt.)
+1 Great minds think alike. :) I can tolerate an arrogance that's earned far better than the kind that is un-earned. Mastery of a craft/domain is entirely different than mastery of the self. Ah well, people have to pay the rent somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
Like anybody who's in business he's in in it for a profit... or he's out of business.
He's marketing himself thru youtube by doing unusual & clever things with steel.
Whether he rubs people the wrong way or not, gotta admit making shaving spoons out of Hitachi white steel is novel.
I wonder which of the previous 16 Yoshimoto bladesmiths invented the "shaving spoon" technique. He's doing real honor to his master and predecessors by preserving the tradition, I reckon...I'm sure his teacher is proud of the circus sideshow his student has created.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
But yeah, I guess he's paying the bills or whatever.
I have little interest in sideshows, so for me "there is no spoon".
I'm also convinced "the cake is a lie" but my waistline disagrees with me.
Sometimes breaking with tradition can lead you full circle back to the roots or principles on which it is founded, making tradition secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
And no, not saying that's what he's done, just that he might :)
Breaking with tradition in terms of investigating new techniques, materials or products and the like is a good idea in general. But using someone else's tradition as a tool for shameless self promotion is a different matter. He has taken the smithing techniques he learned and wrapped them in a veneer of glitz and hucksterism. Having looked at his newsletter archives, I can see that he sold dignity and humility for money pretty early on. I guess that's what the American dream is all about, though, so...congratulations to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
Not every westerner ascribes to that kind of "ethic".
The only 'manly' alternatives to straight razors are actual knives (combat knives preferably) or axes. I've shaved with both. The Axe had an edge that passed the HHT. Spoons are for sissies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor
http://paradoxofmatrix.files.wordpre...0/10/spoon.jpg
I'm surprised he hasn't been killed by ninjas before now :roflmao Sorry Jim I just couldn't resist mate. "My hypocrisy knows no bounds"Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
I do see your point tho. After visiting his website I can see I wouldn't fit his marketing demographics as a potential customer..
I don't even understand what you mean...if the hypocrisy you imply is mine, you'll have to be more specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
Nahh mate was referring to myself. I'm quite the traditionalist but found myself defending MC's approach.
The quotation marks are there because I stole the quote from a movie
Oz, I guess I missed that particular flick.
Anyway, I'll stick to craftsmen who let their work speak for itself.
Jim, if you haven't watched "Tombstone", then mate you really must. That was a line from the Doc Holiday character. A movie that has some great morals to try to live up to. Respect for friends and courage no matter the odds to name just two. Not saying that you don't already...But you know what I mean I'm sure... :)
Mick
Great movie. Doc is indeed a worthy character.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickR
Now, in real life, the earps were not exactly white knights. I suppose they were light grey instead of dark grey.
"A splendid principle!"Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
Now Jim, I hope you know what movie that's from. :)
Maybe the Earps were just trying to make a living too. I'm cursed with seeing both sides of a story :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Tombstone! Goodness,I think I saw it when it came out, but not since. I was a young pup, so I've forgotten most.
I'll get on it.
Oz, now THAT one I got. What a movie...what a filmmaker.:bow
Just as well for you young man :roflmao I'd a been shocked if you didn't hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR