So whats so wrong with being able to speak French?

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Originally Posted by decraew

That's bullshit. What do you think will happen to the first country that uses nuclear weapons against for instance Israel ?
Right, it would be destroyed. Even Ahmadinejad knows that. Don't listen too much to what he says, it's just rhetoric.
I would think that in the US you have enough experience with politicians to know the difference between word and deed.

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Maybe.
It's a big risk to take though, no? This guy reminds me way too much of Hitler to justify taking that chance. Have you seen the assertions he's made regarding things like the Holocaust? He isn't quite right in the head. And sure, if he attacks Israel with Nuclear weapons we'd take him out that very day. He wouldn't stand a chance. He would die 100 times over.
But the ultimate question is are you willing to bet millions of lives that he won't ever want to be a martyr? Is he that level-headed? Is he that reasonable?

Chances are that if Ahmadinejad pressed the button he would be be a long way away by the time retaliation was on its way.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The Americans showed up late, and only after Japan attacked them. Japan was a German Ally. The American help was extremely valuable at the time, but the motivations for joining were not selfless. The US was more than happy enough to stand aside and watch until Japan attacked pearl harbor.

Also, the concept of ally works both ways. The US wanted the French to join the invasion of Iraq under the WMD pretext.
When the French asked for proof, Bush told them they should take him at his word. In the reverse scenario, the US would never have gone ahead with that. And hindsight being 20/20, it turns out there was no proof as well.

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Not true. We were giving enormous amounts of aid to the war effort and there were American volunteers fighting. We couldn't enter the war directly because isolationists wouldn't allow it.

There WERE WMD's in Iraq. There is an Iraqi General that toured the US after the war giving lectures about how he watched the WMD's being crated up and shipped to Syria. We gave them months to get it done after all.

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Originally Posted by decraew

That's bullshit. What do you think will happen to the first country that uses nuclear weapons against for instance Israel ?
Right, it would be destroyed. Even Ahmadinejad knows that. Don't listen too much to what he says, it's just rhetoric.
I would think that in the US you have enough experience with politicians to know the difference between word and deed.



The US is using drones in Pakistan. From the point of view of the people over there that is terrorism.
And terrorism is just one kind of dirty politics. There's also the support of dictators like the Shah, Saddam, the taliban ...

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Oh, you are gonna trust that madman to not put a Nuke in NY? I would prefer that we bomb the nuke plants now instead of trusting Adolphinejad to be reasonable.

We are using drones to kill the people that have attacked the US time and time again. You don't reason with rabid dogs, especially after they have already bitten you, you kill them.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

There WERE WMD's in Iraq. There is an Iraqi General that toured the US after the war giving lectures about how he watched the WMD's being crated up and shipped to Syria. We gave them months to get it done after all.

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Really? Do you have a reference? May be that general has the name of the company that cashed the checks from those axis-of-evil Syrians too. But it probably doesn't matter, 'we the american people' probably you included thought that the administration was handling that war well enough to vote it in for a second term.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

Oh, you are gonna trust that madman to not put a Nuke in NY? I would prefer that we bomb the nuke plants now instead of trusting Adolphinejad to be reasonable.

We are using drones to kill the people that have attacked the US time and time again. You don't reason with rabid dogs, especially after they have already bitten you, you kill them.

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Wanna buy that bridge I have? Prime real estate in Manhattan and Brooklyn, since I really like you you can have it very very cheap right now!

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Originally Posted by gugi

Really? Do you have a reference? May be that general has the name of the company that cashed the checks from those axis-of-evil Syrians too. But it probably doesn't matter, 'we the american people' probably you included thought that the administration was handling that war well enough to vote it in for a second term.

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I never quote a story without being able to back it up.

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - The New York Sun

http://www.wnd.com/2006/02/34818/



I know you will dismiss these stories. You are much more comfortable with the idea that Bush lied about the whole affair.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

Oh, you are gonna trust that madman to not put a Nuke in NY?

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Yes, actually. If it were only him and his nuke I would probably agree. But he's not a lone lunatic, he's a head of state with people around him who I'm sure are not all madmen.

And besides, what's the alternative ? If Iran is attacked by either Israel or the US, I guarantee you, you will have a war and more terrorism.

For the record, I do agree that it would be better if Iran hadn't any nuclear weapons.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

We are using drones to kill the people that have attacked the US time and time again.

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That sort of reasoning is either ignorance of recent history or hypocritical. The US & allies have done much more harm to the peoples of the Middle East-than the reverse.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

You don't reason with rabid dogs, especially after they have already bitten you, you kill them.

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That sounds like something Ahmedinejad would say.

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Originally Posted by decraew

That sounds like something Ahmedinejad would say.

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On a tangent, I am curious whether you view that as a plus or a minus

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

On a tangent, I am curious whether you view that as a plus or a minus

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I guess that depends on whether you're American or not.
So there :p

This thread has swerved wildly off topic, yet so far it is going very well.
I hope that the rest of the year will continue in the same spirit as we head down the rollercoaster of the general election.

You know, they could probably save the economy if they turned it into a reality show like 'X factor' for politicians.
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Originally Posted by Bruno

I guess that depends on whether you're American or not.
So there :p

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I thought maybe it depended on whether I am able to speak French :)