Apparently there are pictures out now showing Zimmerman's bloody head and broken nose.
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Apparently there are pictures out now showing Zimmerman's bloody head and broken nose.
The bloody head pics I would bet money are chopped.
I suppose you mean "shopped"? Look at it and decide for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Photo could shed light on Zimmerman's self defense claim | Video | Fox News
I was talking mainly of federal grand juries and I've spent hundreds of hours before them too. I've seen the same in state ones too though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mvcrash
I know the old wives tale about a prosecutor being able to indict a ham sandwich for not having cheese. I guess my experience was with GJ was a bit different. I think we both agree the case has run amok.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
AMOK,you ain't nothin yet,The zimmer will walk (maybe he should,maybe not) florida will recind the SYG laws.
One young man dead,end of story.
Hmmmmm
Now what was this I just heard that Zimmerman has prior arrests, for assault on a LEO of all things, and for domestic violence,, did he have a CCW, and was he carrying concealed, how could he have a CCW with prior arrests,, BTW even here in the Wild West of Idaho it doesn't say convictions it asks about "arrests" for a CCW permit application...
Fox News was reporting this tonight
We should equally discuss the issues with Treyvon, and his savory past. How about his twitter account? Trayvon Martin Tweets | Twitter Account | The Daily CallerQuote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Personally I like the one that says "F**k a bit**, any bit**. who you want? take yo pick, but you gone have to take yo time." My "like" is sarcasm, if you couldn't tell.
You don't hear the "main stream media" bringing up any of this stuff.
The US Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms....It does not say anything about prior arrests.....(I am being facetious).Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Being a huge Second Amendment advocate, even I think there is a need for some laws,, and I actually don't have a problem, taking a test, and proving that I can handle a weapon safely before I am allowed to carry it concealed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mvcrash
There are plenty of people I know that really should not be carrying a weapon..
What my question was asking,,, "Was Zimmerman legally armed" ????
If he was armed and carrying in the open, which is legal in many states the weapon would have been visible and might have changed the outcome..
Was he legally carrying concealed, if so how did he have a CCW with arrests (I don't know FL laws)
Or was he carrying illegally concealed and this becomes a whole different case ???
I really have no opinion on this (except I think it's unfortunate when anyone gets killed, whether by their own wrong doing or the shooter) until as much of it will be out in the open as possible...and even then, depending on what comes out...I still may not have any more of an opinion.
However, I think it's worth mentioning the tweet above are lyrics from a song called "Luxury Sport". Not exactly sure how questionable taste in music factors into the discussion at all...
if he was illegally CCW, it'd be huge since ~day 1... the fact that it isn't suggests a legit CCW/CHL .. (and i read everywhere that GZ had permit and may still have it)Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
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according to state [FL] regulations, unless a person is convicted of a felony, a concealed weapons permit cannot be revoked.
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Originally Posted by ryanjewell
Listening to music is one thing, posting the lyrics means that you like them and agree with them, IMO.
This song is about as racist as it gets.
claiming tweets of lyrics as insight into personal philosophy seems highly speculative. Which, to me, that kind of speculation is part of what is contributing to the cluster@&$" this has become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
If you want insight into character why not talk about him getting suspended for weed or something? I'm not saying the kid was an angel, but I stay away from drawing conclusions from something like lyrics being tweeted. He's not here to explain it.
If I'm listening to the Beatles and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds is on, strikes my fancy for whatever reason, and I post a lyric from it...I would be mildly peeved if people automatically assumed I'm a crazed acid user who favors legalization of drugs just because I like the tune...
The best way to get to know someone is to read their writings. A person's writings are a revelation of him/herself. By my reading of Treyvon's writings, he was thug, or at a bear minimum a thug want-a-be. It is not beyond the bounds of reason that a person that would tweet such a misogynistic lyric would be the aggressor in this confrontation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanjewell
Wonder how this whole convo would shake out if he was a white Kid? just sayin.
We would not be having a conversation; we would not have known of the shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Sadly,is a lot of truth to that:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirlau
We would not be having this conversation if the media and Sharpton hadn't decided to make money off of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirlau
I agree,
but a lot of factors have played into this situation; first, if not least, the parent's loss of a loved one.
Regardless of the facts on either side, there is a void left in the parent's lives. A void, that the parents do not know how to fill and outside forces more than willing to fill that void with whatever suits their agenda.
I don't know how I would react if my son ended up on losing side of a confrontation. I would like to think, that I would take the high road and move on in life, creating as little sorrow and disruption to others as possible. But , I have been consumed by negative emotion, in situations far less serious.
I am fortunate enough to have a lot of time with my son each day. I spend a lot of it on scenario based training; hoping that something I have said might ring loud in his head at the right moment; preventing a void in my life.
Like everything else things happen and they get swept under the rug and no one knows about it and then one day socko it comes out in the open and it becomes a major event. It's like the Secret Service thing. That kind of thing has been going on for years and it was known by the agency and no one cared. So some guy is cheap and it explodes to the drama we have now and once politicians get involved, watch out.
That is not entirely true. I'll happily sing along to my original bodycount cd containing the song 'cop killer'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
that doesn't mean I feel agree with killing cops or people in general.
I sing along to eminem songs and yet I am a good citizen and all-round nice guy with a big heart.
I know every Manowar song by heart and while I sometimes feel like killing my foes, spilling their blood and taking their women, I've never done so and consider it a bad idea in general. Listening to ACDC does no make me sex obsessed, and the fact that I listen to RAMMSTEIN does not make me a sicko.
Music is a funny thing, and everything has to be considered in context. The bare fact of listening to/singing along with lyrics does not mean people agree with them.
I THOUGHT SO! Bruno, the secret is out about you now. You are a racist cop killer!
:nono:
If they really want to know what kind of kid Travon was, I agree with my wife, they need to ask his teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I agree. The teachers are probably in the best position to really know what kind of kid he was.
Things like facebook and twitter require too much knowledge and context in order to make sense of it.
I have things on my facebook page that would give you a wrong impression at face value, just because someone who doesn't know me would not know when I really mean something, and when something is sarcastic, or hyperbole, or something else.
Damn Bruno,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
you made me jump up and grab my Ka-Bar !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc
Just a week or two before the Trayvon mess, a 12 yo white male was chased from school to his home by two older black youth, they caught him on his front porch, there just happened to be a fuel can there, the fuel was doused onto the white male and ignited by the one of the blacks. This happened in Kansas City. It was hardly mentioned in the news. Fortunately the young man remembered to stop, drop and roll as his attackers fled. The young man did not recognize the older males.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Fat girls can be mean to skinny girls, but skinny firls cannot do the same to fat girls.
Racial issues nowadays are always looked at in the light of previous experiences and cultural norms.
Historically there has been a lot of violence against blacks. We're supposed to be past those transgressions of the past, but every incident brings back memories of the bad old days and triggers a strong reaction. Everyone is aware that blacks were treated very badly in the US up until not too long ago. And white people were in general not the victim of racial violence.
So every time something like that happens, the incident with a black victim gets massive feedback due to the past when that violence was institutional and socially acceptable. Racial violence against white people was not, so every incident there is lacking that strong social feedback.
What it is missing, is Jesse and Al... Who in our terms, would be called Spoons, or TrollsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
interesting timeline put together by Reuters:
Business Insider put together some chronological bullet points highlighting the article’s most important points:
Zimmerman grew up in a mixed-race household
He was an altar boy at his Caltholic church from age 7-17
He is bilingual
After he finished high school, he studied for and got an insurance license
In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office (which soon failed)
Zimmerman’s 2005 arrest for “resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer” occurred after he shoved an under-cover alcohol control agent at a bar when the agent was trying to arrest an underage friend of his
Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black.
In 2009, Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College
In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans’ yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn’t fast enough and recommended that he get a gun.
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes “was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins.” In several of the cases, witnesses said the robbers were young black men
In July 2011, a black teenager stole a bicycle off the Zimmermans’ porch
In August of 2011, a neighbor of the Zimmermans, Olivia Bertalan, was home during the day when two young black men entered her house. She hid in a room upstairs and called the police. When the police arrived, the two men, who had been trying to take a TV, fled. One of them ran through the Zimmermans’ yard.
After the break-in, George Zimmerman stopped by the Bertalans and gave Olivia a card with his name and number on it. He told her to visit his wife Shellie if she felt unsafe.
The police recommended that Bertalan get a dog. She moved away instead. Zimmerman got a second dog–a Rottweiler.
In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.
In the next month, two more houses in the neighborhood were robbed.
A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call “George Zimmerman, our captain.”
On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor’s empty house. He called the police and said “I don‘t know what he’s doing. I don’t want to approach him, personally.” The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone.
On February 6th, another house was burglarized. Witnesses said two of the robbers were black teenagers. One, who had prior burglary convictions, was soon caught with a laptop stolen from the house.
Two weeks later, Zimmerman spotted Travyon Martin and called the police. The last time he had done this, the suspect got away. This time, he disregarded police instructions and followed. A few minutes later, Martin was dead.
Other than to point out that Zimmerman was probably not racist or targeting Trayvon for his skin color, is any of that relevant?
That he was not a racist is an extremely important point. It negates all the hate mongering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Ok from the media circus 'racism' perspective you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
I was just wondering if it had any relevance on the legal proceedings.
#1 It would have relevance if they tried to turn it into a "hate" crime. Hate crime is a stupid idea IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
#2 They could use it to show that Zimmerman had a valid reason to be suspicious of Travon.
Like Crotalus said, it's about motive. If he can be painted to have racial motivations then it can be argued that race was the cause of the shooting and not in self defense, otherwise the self defense argument is more believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
This is where the media, sadly, really affected the case. NBC played the emergency call without context which certainly made it seem like he had racial motivations, but in the unedited version you can see that Zimmerman was answering a direct question from the emergency dispatcher.
I'm sorry but this topic is not appropriate for SRP. We are about shaving, etc. NOT this topic.
Dear Member:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeBois
Being as you are pretty new, you might not realize that the Conversation Forum (this one) is NOT about shaving only it is here for gentlemen to discuss (almost) whatever we feel we want to..
Nothing says you have to
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Now back to the topic
According to the Arnold Law Firm, LLC website in Florida the following is required to convict a person of second degree murder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
"In order to convict a defendant in Florida of Second-degree murder, the State of Florida must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
The victim is dead;
The death was caused by the criminal act of the defendant;
There was an unlawful killing of the victim by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life."
The information I cited could be relevant to the issue of whether or not Zimmerman was engaged in "an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life."
Razorist!......Quote:
Originally Posted by LeBois
LOL, nice one hog.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
I'm sorry, but it is not up to you to determine what is appropriate for SRP.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeBois
I realize that we are different in this than other forums, but up here we mange to get along and be polite to each other despite differences in political, religious, or other opinions. We are a gentleman's forum after all, and we can talk about pretty much everything without getting overly exited and insulting each other.