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Well this sure has gone a long way from Mars still just being a rock...
But I must say, I like what I am seeing!
Claiming that Bush is a murderer is on par with Godwin's law which usually heralds the end of a thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus
Adieu.
Interesting how many of the people that want to spend more on space exploration aren't the ones paying for it.
How could that possibly be irrelevant?! In 1941 would it have made sense for the USA to respond to Pearl Harbor by declaring war on, say, Thailand?Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
It was believed by some in the US and Britain that Iraq posed a threat. Not by everyone. Certainly not by those who actually knew about Iraq and its relationship (or lack thereof) with Al Qaeda. Saddam hated them, they hated him. This was very well understood by many, but was a fact that was massively under-reported. But not un-reported. I lived in the UK at the time and remember reading all kinds of reports from a variety of sources that clearly and cogently analyzed the background as well as contemporary relationship between the two and came to the correct conclusion that they had absolutely nothing to do with each other and that Iraq most certainly had nothing to do with 911.
EDIT: apologies for straying yet further from the original intent of the thread. Mea culpa. Back to Mars - yes, benefits have resulted from space programs, but I do think it is legitimate to ask whether those benefits have warranted the cost. I'm one of those who don't have to pay for it (!) so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt to be sure. However, when one is speaking of the amounts of $$ that are involved in space programs - even if that represents a small percentage of the total budget - I believe it is necessary to ask whether those dollars could have a greater positive impact on society if they were spent in different ways.
Let's not forget that congress declared war. I remember Hilary Clinton stating that war with Iraq was necessary.
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They have Islamic separatists Abu Sayyaf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in the PI committing acts of terror, not the Taliban. Abu Sayyaf is probably getting funding from Al Qaeda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endofab
If you only knew what is happening and where....Quote:
Originally Posted by Endofab
I have it on good authority that the PI terror network is linked to Al Qaeda..Quote:
Originally Posted by dustoff003
I agree that what is happening is terrible but think of the genocide in Georgia.. We stayed away even during such atrocities!
If it does not directly effect us or our oil supply then we are hands off!
If a preemptive attack on Thailand had made sense at the time, why wouldn't it have happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
*slowly puts on a foil pirate hat*
Are we winning this debate? It feels like we are winning...
Joking aside, stats, references to previous moments in time, opinions of government officials, none of these normally sway the stances of most people when it comes to this topic. If you want to reach some folks, it is gonna take some information that no one is going to believe anyway... Sadly most of these topics go into my "conspiracy theory" folder.
So you're saying that any time a preemptive attack 'makes sense' - even in the face of strong, credible, and unbiased evidence to the contrary - a country has the right to launch such an attack? What are your criteria for this? You don't like the leader: attack? The country has something you want: attack? You are kind of cranky and want to lash out at someone: attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
Anyway, I'll just repeat that to anyone who actually considered the available evidence in a balanced and unbiased manner, the attack on Iraq did not make sense. So that argument is moot anyway.
With you on that one. Tempurpedic all the way! Thank you NASA.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
And how about that velcro!Quote:
Originally Posted by l3580
What about tang.. Everyone loves tang!!Quote:
Originally Posted by maddafinga
I have it on good authority the Vulcans invented velcro. The Enterprise episode entitled "Carbon Creek" or "Carbon Canyon."Quote:
Originally Posted by maddafinga
... :(
I hate tang....
Oh man - generally speaking I love the way conversations flow on these threads! It's kind of like bar talk :). But somehow I am thinking it's getting near closing time :)!!Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
Seriously though, it wouldn't surprise me if there was life on Mars at one time. It's inconceivable to me that there isn't life out there someplace what with the enormity of it all... but somehow finding life that has the same values in exploration as we do, constructed in a manor as we are, will be a supper long shot! There are just so many ways things can evolve...
Just look at this conversation lol :).
I don't know about that... there seems to be a certain symetry between macrocosm and microcosm. The pinwheel morphology of a sea mollusk's shell here on Earth is mirrored in the structure of a spiral galaxy millions of light years away. Could be coincidence, or not. Would not suprise me if there is other sentient life elsewhere very similar to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
Hey!! This is what i was trying to quote when I said we were close to closing time in my last post!! I don't know how I ended up quoting honedright...Quote:
Originally Posted by JackofDiamonds
I mean seriously - who doesn't like Tang!! That's just wrong!
:) :) :)
It's 'cause you know you love me. May disagree with me at times, but you love me all the same. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
Well if we are all going to get all lovey dubby... lets focus on the good things - we all shave here right? Hence we aren't pinko commies as:Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
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What!! No "likes"??
I got to work on my sense of humor...
There, I gave you one. Just tuned back in, saw it, and I thought it was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
You know, the wierd thing about online forums, and these discussions, they are a strange phenomenon. Had we all been sitting together in a proper pub, smoking pipes and cigars (hopefully not bloody smelly cigs) having a round of beers the discussion would have been very different.
MLA would have said, " Hey guys, NASA says they found organics on Mars" to which we would have responded, "Shut up and sit down, the games back on."
Things would be so much friendlier. Just my Op.
In out I only smoke really dark cigars the strong smelling kind... LolQuote:
Originally Posted by honedright
And on that note, I give you Mr. Eric Idle... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&v=JWVshkVF0SY
And I was hoping they'd found Zaphod Beeblebrox...
Damn I mis read that thought it was Billy Idol!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
That's easy... it's in the Market, about a ten minute walk form my place... :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus
Welcome to Zaphod's
Organic matter on Mars to Zaphods... how did we get here again???
:hmmm:
Well Zaphod's just this guy, you know...
Blame those cigars you like so well :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Endofab
They would have nothing to do with that.. Nicotine has been proven to be healthy.. Lol at least that is what my tobacconist keeps telling me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
THIS IS FOR HONEDRIGHT
I think that Gil Scott Heron - a personal favorite of mine might have put your sentiments into a poem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwkXZ0SmTs
And then put some music to it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
I freaking loved that man! Saw him live in Toronto once... I think I was the only whitey in the room lol -> he might even have pointed that out too :)!
THIS IS FOR HONEDRIGHT
I think that Gil Scott Heron - a personal favorite of mine might have put your sentiments into a poem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwkXZ0SmTs
And then put some music to it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
I freaking loved that man! Saw him live in Toronto once... I think I was the only whitey in the room lol -> he might even have pointed that out too :)!
Interesting concept. I often take this stance with the homeless in my town. We send money to charities, missionary trips to countries that sometimes don't even want us there. And yet, here in our own towns, people starve. The idea has bothered me since high school. But I focus on these problems because I have never left my home. Perhaps my views would change if I went to another country...
Well, I have lived in seven cities in two countries on two continents since leaving my home town for the first time, and I still volunteer as an editor with an organization back there that helps with inner-city issues such as homelessness and hunger. It is something that has always bothered me as well, so while moving around can give added perspective, it doesn't necessarily mean you would ignore what is going on closer to home. Whether or not *you* are 'home'. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JackofDiamonds
Man I have lived all over the place... Came from some money but been poor all the same, been ok too. Not sure how much that all matters in my case.
After rereading my posts on this thread (knowing my intent) while listening to my man "Gil," I wonder when it was... that I became so incredibly tight-... starts with an A, and ends with two s's followed by an ed.
Seriously - I think I need to take some time to step back lol. :)
Good! Yeah, kinda reflects where I was coming from. Maybe without the racial overtones, but pretty spot-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
It's a matter of scale and proportion. It is disingenuous when arguing that US cannot afford a particular program (say PBS, Planned Parenthood, NASA, etc.) to ignore programs which are thousands and millions times larger while simultaneously completely out of proportion with the objective needs of the country (military spending).
Yeah, I may not understand 'but they attacked us', however I do pay for it and I understand how disproportionate the US military power is compared to anything really. I am old and cynical but I don't see why US has to light the fuse and then absorb the blow from centuries worth of problems in places like Iraq.
When US cannot afford everything it wants, it's time to prioritize. First of all I would say do not eat your seeds, i.e. comparatively small investments with big payback ought to be preserved, until everything else is gone and you're just trying to prolong survival for few more days.
I'd say start by cutting on the plasma TV and eating at McDonalds.
I think you forgot this guy:Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
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