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No such thing.....:eek:
Been out of production a long time, I think. I never saw one.
Single shots are not worth much these days.
Sure do love my H&R nickel receiver Deluxe Topper model in .410/full.
Don't know what to tell ya. They are not worth putting anything into unless sentimental.
20 GA with a 6 inch barrel would work. Blackbeard special!
I'm not a fan of this R51. The hesitation locking system (breech block) concerns me with this particular design. It's also a pain in this ass to disassemble and reassemble. If the slide stop pin isn't seated properly under the little spring, the weapon will become very unstable. I looked at one of those pistols but decided it wasn't for me. Yeah it is pretty cheap, but for this price went with the Taurus G2C.
I hope my disdain for this weapon doesn't affect your thoughts about it. I just couldn't reasonably buy one because of the design. Good Luck with your R51! I hope that it performs to your specifications and works well for you!
See! You read the reviews! :)
I always get my disdain from personal experience. Not from reviews.
It's not too hard to disassemble/reassemble. Did not take long to learn that. Certainly any pistol has to be assembled properly?
I saw a review where a fellow ran 600 rounds of many types through a new one with 1 FTF and still would not recommend it.
Because he read a review!
Anyhoo, I had great luck with my last one. Lifetime warranty.
A lot of this is the stigma of the first production's issues. They offered money back and I just kept mine. We had to have shot 400 or so rounds through that one without a hiccup.
Not going to leave my CZ in the truck. That's for certain!
THe R51 cost me 219 with 3 mags! THAT can be stashed in the truck..;)
I have the most maligned military rifle ever. A MAS 49/56 Century .308 conversion.
I performed the 5 mods necessary and it runs great.
A champion for the underdogs. That's me!
I've long wanted another contender for the most maligned military rifle: the Ross. It has a reputation for kind of blowing up in one's face, but that only applied to one model and as long as you assemble the bolt correctly, you won't shoot yourself in the face with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Underdog champions of the world, unite! :)
Those Ross rifles are pretty neat. You must have seen that 'Forgotten Weapons' Where Ian put it together wrong on purpose and yanked the string. Funny!
Sure did. :tu Great video, but sad to see what happened to the rifle. But if I recall correctly, the rifle was pretty much toast to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
The story of the rifle's development and adoption is pretty bonkers, complete with an eccentric wacko (Ross himself) and an ego-maniacal wingnut of a politician (Sam Hughes). C&Rsenal did a great video on the rifle and its history. For anyone interested with an hour to kill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGYSQ_-FJU
Yup, those Ross rifles were very interesting. I had 3 of them, 2 different models of military 303 issue rifles and a 280 Ross Sporter. Still have a WWI Canadian service manual for one somewhere. All of them shot very well.
Bob
Tom - You know what they call underdogs? Statistics! I don't want to read about you in the papers....Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
No really, I do hope that thing runs smooth and effectively for you! You're one of the Good Guys!
I hear ya, John. TBH, I thought they had stopped making them. I bought the 1st gen one on a whim as I knew General Patton had a Model 51 for a CCW with the same Pederson block system. I understand those (1918-1926) were good and in .380.
Tale is they were too expensive to make and compete, so they dropped them.
Seems Remington worked on the bugs on these for a few years and reintroduced them.
The reviews from the buyers are much better than the youtube bunch. A lot of those guys are clowns, it seems.
I bought 2 weeks ago from Classic and they have gone up considerably since.
If it has issues, Remington will get it back.
Of course, I always hope I get a 'good one'. Maybe I will? Anyhoo, the FFL has it. Will pick it up and my carbine to-morrow.
Might go bust some caps this weekend. This Sahara dust storm crap is killing me!
Here is an interesting article on the whole R51 debacle.
https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/in...1-gen-2-review
My contribution to this epic thread, my first (certainly not my last) rifle. A Merkel KR-1 Stutzen in .243 Winchester
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Silly contribution. An image of an anticipated image of my latest. Spanish FR8 With a WWI repro Trench magazine.
My bayonet and sling are forthcoming by 6 weeks delay from Covid....
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Stumbled upon these 30+ year old photos. Amazing what you can find in someone else's basement.
Bob
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Early model FG 42
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StG 44
Bound to be a story behind that one. Even 30+ years ago!
Yes, there is. I was about 140lbs/64 Kgs lighter back then. :D If you mean the guns, they were a museum's property. Even though I don't show it in the pictures I was tickled pink to handle those in person, especially the FG 42. Apparently you can have a semi auto working replica of an FG 42 made for the cost of one original magazine. I'd hate to guess what an original select fire one is worth on the open market now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Bob
Purchased this new Hawke Vantage IR 4-12x50 Rimfire .22 (Subsonic) Reticle scope, and a new vanguard equalizer pro 2 bipod + a new set of Recknagel Detachable Sling Swivels.
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Young Bob with Machine guns! Pretty cool. Yeah. Worth a pile of dough IF you can actually own one.
Nice scope, Jamie! :tu Gonna strike some matches?
From the same bunch of photos as the German guns. Don't get too excited, the Bren gun is a semi auto only mil surplus. Still fun to shoot though.
Bob
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Bren on an AA mount
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Bren on a bipod
Good thing you aren't in NY, ain't no ammo here,plus one of them must have the dreaded bayonet lug...that makes them much more dangerous.?...
You are God Da## right. Vote these gun grabbers OUT!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsell63
I am in Canada and at that time, 30+ years ago, there was no shortage of ammo in mil surp calibers. No idea of what it is like today and don't much care because I have had my fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
Bob
And your done?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Yup, been done for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
Bob
Are you allowed to have guns in Canada? I mean for personal protection and concealed carry?
Yes, you can own guns in Canada. Basically for the purpose of hunting and target shooting so for personal protection is out as is concealed carry for most citizens. In the house guns are to be stored empty and locked up in a separate location from the ammo which is also to be locked up. Personally, I have never felt the need to have one for personal protection much less felt the need to carry concealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johntoad57
Bob
The mil surp ammo situation ain't what it used to be even five years ago. Then .303 surplus was already really scarce, but eastern bloc surplus was incredibly cheap. I really don't get to the range much these days, and when I do I don't play with my SKS as often as I used to simply because it used to be dirt cheap to shoot whereas now it's only kinda cheap. Now, ammo prices give me pause and I seriously consider whether it's worth the hassle of dealing with the post-corrosive ammo cleaning. I don't think I've put any rounds through the SKS this year, now that I think of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
I started loading .303 because it was usually over $1/shot, and surplus had become so scarce it's a collector's item and the opposite of cheap. Hand-loading brings that down a fair bit, and with the lower volume and slower pace of the bolt actions (and I usually appreciate the slower pace of them) probably makes it cheaper to shoot that than the 7.62x39. Higher cost/shot, but much lower volume.
That must be real handy when you need it fast....Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Let me ask you something, and no offense intended, but are the SKSs as junky as I've heard? My buddy told me that when they found some of them, they would pile them up and pee on them. He said that they rusted in a few hours because of the piss and humidity, l have never had the opportunity to play with one. This was in the jungles of nam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
Easy, Griz! ;)
Some of us live in peaceful pockets. Makes us lax in max defense.
I sometimes get into a routine to be able to counter going's-on and soon realize I may shoot a chod for being himself.....
Sooo, I back off and park the pistol for a while. I figure the training is still there If I need to power-up again quickly.
I seem to do it often, but not SO often.
Like Bob, I am not angry most of the time. No need to shoot anyone.
I just don't let the possibility expire.
Defense has to be practiced and training ingrained. Responsible gun ownership.
It is always with some of us.
Then, I have some friends who are always packing. I leave it to them and practice ducking! :rofl2:
Oh...The SKS is likely the finest military semi-automatic weapon of war ever built. Likely one of the most produced ones as well.
Crazy-reliable. High-quality.
I can only speak to my experience with a grand total of one SKS. :) I do know that like other Soviet rifles, they were made in a bunch of arsenals in a bunch of countries, so my understanding is quality can vary widely. They were also made with both solid wood and laminate stocks, with different bayonets, etc. That having been said, mine is rock solid. If I remember right, it was made at the Tula Arsenal in maybe 1953? I'll try to remember to check that. It has matched parts, has run perfectly since day one, and the only issue I have run into was a dodgy batch of ammo in which there were a few misfires. But in the six years or so I've had it there has not been a single jam, misfeed, stovepipe, or other general problem. Oh, and I'm pretty sure mine was NOS. It arrived caked in cosmoline, but under that it looked pristine, the rifling perfect. It's loads of fun to shoot, and the only thing I've changed was adding a butt pad because the length of pull is really short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
The one annoyance that I mentioned earlier is that the cheap ammo is corrosive surplus, so you really need to take the whole thing (receiver, barrel, gas system) apart and give it a good cleaning after use. As you'd probably expect, it's a simple straightforward system, so easy to strip down and re-assemble, but being a cheapskate when it comes to ammo, I inflict that process on myself every time it goes to the range. You can of course shell out for non-corrosive ammo.
So based entirely on my very limited experience, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one for someone who is looking for a fun range gun, plinker, or even for some hunting. I'm not a hunter, but I know quite a few people do hunt with an SKS. But you definitely don't want to use the surplus ammo for that: the steel core will get you in big trouble if you do. At least up here.
Not having peed on mine, I cannot comment on that. :rofl2:
Har! Nice rifles in the right condition. Esp as in the right configuration..
Never saw any 39 in corrosive? Must be really old ammo?
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That is the strangest quality metric I've heard.
I wish that I had that same option as you Bob. Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. People here in the States think that it's cool, fashionable, and sexy. While they have the right to own a firearm, most people shouldn't carry one. They lack the skills and training on when and how to use it. That's what troubles me the most. Not only do they have the potential to get themselves killed, but innocent people as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
However, I do believe in their rights according to our constitution and I took an oath a long time ago to defend that right no matter of my personal feelings toward them. Just have to keep you eyes open all the time!
I totally agree!Quote:
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Oh well. The things do have a purpose. Situations, I suppose!
Happy to have had one on several occasions. Handy as a pocket on a shirt.
When I was sworn in on the job many years ago the first thing they told us was way too many folks pack a firearm and they walk ten feet tall. I've found that to be true all too many times over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johntoad57
I've bought it from the 50s, 60s, 70s, from Russia, China, Yugoslavia. Would like to find some Czech as it tends to come loaded on stripper clips. By the sound of it, 39 surplus must be way more common up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
I have always loved guns, owned and used them for hunting since I was 10 years old, It's bloody difficult to get a Firearms licence in the UK, your application will take several months to process your application will need a full acess and disclosure of your medical records which they will go through thoroughly, also home checks will be carried out by a firearms officer, ammo will have number restrictions, you will also need land to shoot that's also been cleared for use and passed by the Police or become a member of a shooting club, I'm really jealous of you guys in the USA with the kind of guns you can own, if you even gave a small hint that you want a gun for home protection in the UK I'm sorry to say you would never own a gun again, having thought many times about universal gun ownership in the UK I would have to say I'm against it, I honestly believe that If gun ownership was on par with the USA per head of population we would have the highest murder rate in the world by guns I just wouldn't trust UK people with mass gun ownership.
I'm taking you added the magazine, Tom. I've literally had hundreds of SKS's go thru my hands, while helping a buddy sell them at gun shows. All came w/ bayonets, and only took the 10 rnd. stripper clips.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
I owned one for a couple years, shot a crate of ammo thru it (1300 rds.) without a hiccup, before selling it for more than I paid for it, and bought a Bulgarian made AK47, W/chrome lined, cold hammer forged, barrel (16000 rnd. barrel life). Its not as accurate as the SKS was, but I wanted high cartridge capacity, should I get caught in the heat of urban battle. ( the way things are getting in this world, it may be sooner than I expected )
I've seen very little in non corrosive ammo, in these parts. And doubt if I'll buy anymore, being I have somewhere in the ballpark of 4000 rds. in surplus ammo, along with a loaded battle pack, ready for action. Hoping I'll never need it, but better to be prepared. Yeah...I'm nuts.!
The rest of ya can get in line for the butter knife brigade, cause that's all your gonna have to protect yourself with, once it hits the fan.
By US laws....yes, I have an arsenal, and could be fined for such, but hey...its America ! We have enough guns to arm every man, women, and child, with six guns each, statistically. To invade our country, would be futile, the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, as well as keeping our own government in check.
Do miss my SKS, but much happier with the AK
ANYONE GOT A MP-44.!? The precurser to the AK, after the war in Stallingrad. Russians love reverse engineering
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I understand the Russian SKS is very common in Canada. Russian arms imports are not legally allowed here where they have been in Canada.
A nice Tula is worth a premium here.
The one pictured is a Chinese 'ban' era 'commercial' model, an SKS M. There were to be no bayonets or lugs and 5 round capacity mags.
With piles of spares, 'new' rifles were made adapted to a removable 5 round magazine. Bayonets were gone, lugs were ground-off in the 90's.
Some, such as this one, were shortened and called Paratroopers in a marketing ploy. Worked out good for many importers and their versions of them.
Oddly, the 5 round mags were Kalashnikov design 5 rounders so any AK mag will pop in. Also shortening the barrel had no ill effect on accuracy. So much for getting around a ban and creating a different animal?
This magazine is an AK 20 rounder.
Adversely, I have a '57 Sino-Russian in 'turn in' shape out of the Eastern Bloc. Having moved to the Kalishnikov, Russians went to China in '56 and helped build a factory, supplying machinery and knowledge. Stayed for several years before pulling out. This one has later spike bayonet and stock on it and is truly beat-up and soaked in cosmoline. The stories it could tell. Still perfectly functional and a good bore. I just put it up on the wall.
The Chinese built many factories and made them in the high millions back when the 'people's army' was exactly that.
Of course they rounded all of them up and sold them throughout the world. Gee.
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Yeah, lots of Russian ones up here, but also Norincos and Yugoslavians. I suspect there are others around too, but I think those are the most common.
