Son shooting a 45 for the first time

Hearing protection for the outside of the ears is important but it won't stop the sound/shock waves that travel through your body from having an adverse affect on your ears. After 28 years of shooting I have a significant loss of hearing in certain ranges and have Tinitus. I asked the Doc about this and he simply said that sound and shock waves travel through fluids and we are made of fluid. My left is worse than my right due to me being a left.
The Doc said it is also VERY common with people who shoot often. Something to consider when you take young kids, who have a small of body mass and allow them to fire guns.

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Originally Posted by Mvcrash

Hearing protection for the outside of the ears is important but it won't stop the sound/shock waves that travel through your body from having an adverse affect on your ears. After 28 years of shooting I have a significant loss of hearing in certain ranges and have Tinitus. I asked the Doc about this and he simply said that sound and shock waves travel through fluids and we are made of fluid. My left is worse than my right due to me being a left.
The Doc said it is also VERY common with people who shoot often. Something to consider when you take young kids, who have a small of body mass and allow them to fire guns.

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I dont know what to say to that ,been shooting most of my life and thats one Ive never heard-and one of my friends and doctor belongd to the same gun club as I do and hes never heard that one either-But his specilalty is pain management,so who knows.
I use protection and my hearing is fine so far.

Congrats. My dad started me at 6 and I've never looked back. Sometime try skeet or trap if you haven't it's a great bonding time and opens things up for a little friendly competition.

my son will never shoot a gun, not even a water pistol. from father to son, from son to grand son and so on... I think owning guns is just dangerous and doesn't provide a real, practical benefit for anyone.

I won't ever own a gun, but: I guess Switzerland is the one European country that comes closest to the US with regard to gun culture...

The swiss government gives SIG assault rifles to 16 year old kids for free. Yes, free. The kids do not technically possess them until they will have finished their (mandatory) military service, but after that it's definitely theirs. If they don't do it, they'll still get to keep it.

Next weekend, the swiss people is going to hold a federal vote on a much more restrictive gun ownership law, i'm not sure i'll support it or not. I think people should be allowed to have guns, as long as they're not convicted criminals. private gun ownership is one of the pillars of democracy.

What I certainly do not agree with, however, is the fact that my taxfrank pays for some adolescent kids' toys. Toys that cost the equivalent of 2200 us dollars each....


/EDIT: added link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

You hit the difference without even knowing it-WE live in a democratic Republic,not a democracy,where the majority get to tell the rest how to live,here we are free to do as we please as long as we dont harm anyone else or impinge on anyone elses freedoms.Your system of goverment is different than ours ,also you live in a mostly homogenious population,which helps. All I can say is the fact that I was armed has saved my life more than once. YMMV

P.S. I hope when your son is old enough to make up his own mind he will give it a try and decide for hiimself

Got my 4 yr old son his first Red Ryder BB gun this last x-mas. I also got a nice Beeman air rifle for myself. We have a backstop and trap set up in the basement. He has scolded me already when I have got to the line without eye protection. I cant wait till he can shoot the big toys. Gonna be quite a few yrs before he can handle the .454 :eek:. I am a firm believer in teaching firearm safety and the effects a bullet has on a target. The more they know the less they are going to want to play unsupervised. If they know they can see them and use them the curiosity is not there to experiment on there own.

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Originally Posted by shiznix

my son will never shoot a gun, not even a water pistol. from father to son, from son to grand son and so on... I think owning guns is just dangerous and doesn't provide a real, practical benefit for anyone.

I won't ever own a gun, but: I guess Switzerland is the one European country that comes closest to the US with regard to gun culture...

The swiss government gives SIG assault rifles to 16 year old kids for free. Yes, free. The kids do not technically possess them until they will have finished their (mandatory) military service, but after that it's definitely theirs. If they don't do it, they'll still get to keep it.

Next weekend, the swiss people is going to hold a federal vote on a much more restrictive gun ownership law, i'm not sure i'll support it or not. I think people should be allowed to have guns, as long as they're not convicted criminals. private gun ownership is one of the pillars of democracy.

What I certainly do not agree with, however, is the fact that my taxfrank pays for some adolescent kids' toys. Toys that cost the equivalent of 2200 us dollars each....


/EDIT: added link Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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We have to remember that traditions and overall culture with guns is way more different here in Europe than in USA. Carrying and using a handgun for other than hunting has always been almost nonexistent (excluding wars of course).
Guns are for US maybe the same than knives for us Finns. Many people still carry them, even women.
I still do not get the point why Sxitzerland should give guns to people. It has nothing to do with defending a country. Changes to get more corpses will grow and only burglars get happy. It is scary.
With the culture and traditions we have, i still think that guns, here in Europe, should be allowed for only those who need it at work (Police, Military, Coast Guard). And rifles for hunters of course.

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Originally Posted by Grizzley1

I dont know what to say to that ,been shooting most of my life and thats one Ive never heard-and one of my friends and doctor belongd to the same gun club as I do and hes never heard that one either-But his specilalty is pain management,so who knows.
I use protection and my hearing is fine so far.

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I never heard of it either but if you think about it, it makes sense(physics). He used the example of when you were a kid and went swimming. You could yell under water and hear the sound across the pool.
The doctor I was talking with was an Ear, Nose and Throat Specialist. I told a few freinds who I worked with about this issue. Some of them went to have their hearing checked and had the same loss I did.
As far as the tinitus is concerned, there is no solid evidence it comes from loud noise. The doctor said that the shooting could be a factor but he was not sure since they do not know what causes tinitus. However, he was very specific about the range of my hearing loss coming from gun fire.

I'm not saying don't shoot. I'm just giving some information one may want when talking children to a gun range when they are still growing and may be more susceptible to hearing damage due to their smaller mass.

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Originally Posted by Grizzley1

You hit the difference without even knowing it-WE live in a democratic Republic,not a democracy,where the majority get to tell the rest how to live,here we are free to do as we please as long as we dont harm anyone else or impinge on anyone elses freedoms.Your system of goverment is different than ours ,also you live in a mostly homogenious population,which helps. All I can say is the fact that I was armed has saved my life more than once. YMMV

P.S. I hope when your son is old enough to make up his own mind he will give it a try and decide for hiimself

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The Swiss government is probably the most unique in the world. The politicians can't do squat without the consent of the people. The people gets to vote on pretty much everything.

Also, the swiss population is FAR from homogeneous. There are big differences in culture, language and customs across this small country.

You say that having a gun ready saved your live several times. Swiss people don't need guns to defend themselves. This country's crime rate is incredibly low even though pretty much every male citizen has an assault rifle (a lot of women have one too).
Swiss people have guns because they can. Nobody really needs them though. There are no bears or loads of truly dangerous criminals here.

I believe the 2nd amendment is just, every citizen should have the right to bear arms (unless they're convicted criminals). It's none of the government's business what people do with their guns as long as they're not doing anything illegal.

I was just a little shocked to discover that there are quite a few "gun nuts" on straightrazorplace.com. But seriously, I don't judge people for legitimately owning and shooting guns. At least in Switzerland, the huge majority of gun owners, like 99.9%, deals with them responsibly. And I guess that's true for every SRP gentleman as well.

And don't worry, once my kids will be 18, they're free to do whatever they want. But if they want to get their personal assault rifle at the age of 16 I'll refuse to sign the necessary papers.

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We have to remember that traditions and overall culture with guns is way more different here in Europe than in USA. Carrying and using a handgun for other than hunting has always been almost nonexistent (excluding wars of course).
Guns are for US maybe the same than knives for us Finns. Many people still carry them, even women.
I still do not get the point why Sxitzerland should give guns to people. It has nothing to do with defending a country. Changes to get more corpses will grow and only burglars get happy. It is scary.
With the culture and traditions we have, i still think that guns, here in Europe, should be allowed for only those who need it at work (Police, Military, Coast Guard). And rifles for hunters of course.

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Switzerland gives assault rifles to kids for reasons of "protecting the country". That's the official statement. In fact, it's just a tradition. And a symbol of trust between government and people. Interestingly enough, hardly anyone ever gets shot. And most of the few cases of gunfire assault are caused by illegally owned guns, mostly by criminal foreigners.


But this isn't a thread about whether guns are cool or not, but about fathers taking their kids to gun ranges. Sorry for taking this a little off-topic. I still think you guys are cool.

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When my daughter turned 13 I gave her a 22mag contender carbine. Single shot rifles are great for leanring on and being a contender she can build on it if she likes. I told her that it's hers to do with as she pleases, but if she ever wants to get rid of it... I get first crack at it... the Bbl is a special piece, the first Bbl that OTT worked on to test the new system he built to make barrels with :)