I was looking at buying a .50 but i found out in Oregon its legal to own a 20mm :D so I'll be saving up to buy a 20mm
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I was looking at buying a .50 but i found out in Oregon its legal to own a 20mm :D so I'll be saving up to buy a 20mm
I don't get it.
I mean I understand the fact that people like shooting and pushing the boundaries of their skill.
And I get the fact that you'd buy a .50, simply because it is a useful calibre for long range shooting.
But what would you do with a 20 mm?
I can't imagine you can shoot it in many places, seeing as the bullet still has the oomph of a cannon ball after 3 miles.
The ammunition is bound to be expensive / hard to get.
And with the recoil and noise, you (probably?) can't fire too much.
The only thing I can imagine is that you'd buy / shoot it for the 'big bang', like the guy with the hummer mounted minigun.
But if you have to save up to buy either the .50 or the 20mm, why would you choose the 20 mm?
Might be the next best thing to a chainsaw for clearing trees Bruno :). It'd be a heap more fun to fell a tree with that than it would with a chainsaw I'd reckon :D.
Mick
I'll have a go at fielding that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
First a little background. I'm a trophied target shooter (7.62x51mm NATO rounds) and have always prided myself on being able to take down game with the utmost precision and economy. I do this because my Dad taught me from the time I first held a rifle (age of 6, I think) that as a hunter you do NOT make your prey suffer. EVER. If it took more than one shot then I have let myself down as a marksman, treated my quarry with the poorest disrespect and wasted ammunition.
Now, about that artillary piece shaped like a rifle ... I WANT ONE! Why you ask? For a number of reasons, really. Firstly it gives a sufficiently talented marksman tha ability to take down their target, and a substantial one at that, at extreme range. It's also a very big round and being able to handle it gives the user particular standing amongst those so inclined, much like being able to cleanly shave with a massive wedge around here. Thirdly ... well some guys need to compensate, while others like the challenge (refer to my background statement above ;) )
It would be a challenge. Something to do that few others have done. And, because at least in the US, we're still allowed to if we want to and can afford it. But that is changing to greater or lesser degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
All true. Where I live there are dozens of sub-300 meter ranges and not many out to 600 and many fewer to 1000. The hard part with that rifle is getting enough glass for the spotter to be of any help. I can imagine being googley eyed for a bit after pulling that trigger and not seeing the ball go away. But the rifles are so much better than the old ones that practically killed the operator. That one fellow was selling normal 20mm for 10 USD per round. That would be an expensive day shooting.Quote:
...I can't imagine you can shoot it in many places, seeing as the bullet still has the oomph of a cannon ball after 3 miles.
The ammunition is bound to be expensive / hard to get. And with the recoil and noise, you (probably?) can't fire too much.
And you left out that you're not going to run carrying that over your shoulder if bad guys are chasing you, and they will not be long finding out where you're shooting from.
As a regular fun caliber, no. I suffer from Scandinavian practicality (I'm cheap.) and like to shoot a lot, for little money. Frankly, as a hunter, I wouldn't use the .50 unless I was way out west with lots of open ground and game that knows not to let anyone get close. I've found equally adequate challenges using much smaller ball for the distances that are available (cheaper, much cheaper ;))Quote:
The only thing I can imagine is that you'd buy / shoot it for the 'big bang', like the guy with the hummer mounted minigun.
But if you have to save up to buy either the .50 or the 20mm, why would you choose the 20 mm?
Mr. Russell and I must have had the same teacher's teacher. My dad never let me hunt with more than one bullet. And I got some medals shooting the Distinguished Rifle course when I was young because of that. The hunting around here has never been more than 50 meters because I have to go into the woods to find the deer. They are now well programmed to stay off open ground during hunting season. The last one was an insignificant 20 meter shot, no real work at all, except for the sneaking bit since I hunt with both feet on the ground. Usually, I get to play the dog for the boys and crash around making a bad smell and noise to get the deer moving so they can really see one to shoot at from their monkey's roost. :(
As a ballistic physics experiment there are all sorts of interesting things going on, plus the ball goes boom when it arrives. :) It was our independence day celebration yesterday Bruno. There were lots of things going bang everywhere. I simply like things that go bang. A guy can dream a little in his dotage can't he?
I developed an aptitude for shooting rabbits with my .22 at around the 100 yard mark. Since we ate what we shot, head shots were preferred.
I believe the NTW-20 (South African 20mm anti-materiel rifle with a 14.5mm anti-personnel field changable option) is intended for ranges around the 2000 yard mark. Takes a two man team to carry it any distance though. I'd love to put some range time in with that beastie.
Ah I did not want to touch upon the political realities of shooting a 20 mm. I don't know if they are legal here, but I guess probably not. And in Belgium it's a moot point, since there is not a single place outside a handful of military artillery ranges where one might actually fire a bullet without poking holes in something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Blue
No, I was merely wondering about the practical aspects of shooting that monster.
Also because when it comes to hunting: unless you are shooting grizzly, kodiac bears or elephants, whatever you shoot with that thing will be ground into hamburger on the spot. I cannot imagine shooting deer with that thing. :)
I suffer the same affliction. That's why I could not see why you'd pay a huge amount of money for the handful of shots you'll actually fire.Quote:
As a regular fun caliber, no. I suffer from Scandinavian practicality (I'm cheap.) and like to shoot a lot, for little money. Frankly, as a hunter, I wouldn't use the .50 unless I was way out west with lots of open ground and game that knows not to let anyone get close. I've found equally adequate challenges using much smaller ball for the distances that are available (cheaper, much cheaper ;))
I have no right to speak on this since I have never killed my own food, but imo, hunting is what you do with your feet on the ground.Quote:
The last one was an insignificant 20 meter shot, no real work at all, except for the sneaking bit since I hunt with both feet on the ground.
If you're safely on a high platform, shooting at anything that moves, it's a bit of a stretch to call it hunting.
Now that I can understand perfectly well :DQuote:
As a ballistic physics experiment there are all sorts of interesting things going on, plus the ball goes boom when it arrives. :) It was our independence day celebration yesterday Bruno. There were lots of things going bang everywhere. I simply like things that go bang. A guy can dream a little in his dotage can't he?
Man, shoot a deer with that and you'll only be left with ears and feet...! :D
I can dream but I think this sort of stuff will have to be left until I emigrate as we can't even get pistols over here... Stupid government.
It's the Varmint version of the "Ultimate Sniper" stock designed by Col. Plaster IIRC. I have the sniper version on my .308 police tactical savage. They are heavy, but a very solid platform...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyNorth
You can still get shotguns, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubear
We can, and rifles too although they limit how much ammo you can hold with the rifles.
That limiting seems to be totally arbitrary as well. I know a guy who's into WWII reconstructions and he got a .303 rifle and needed a firearms certificate (FAC). He was allowed to have up to 2000 rounds at a time despite the fact he never fires the thing.
I know another guy who's a pest controller and has a .22 rabbit gun. He's allowed a max of 100 rounds at a time even though he uses the weapon all he time. So he's got the gunsmith on speed dial!
The handgun ban was a knee jerk reaction the the dunblane massacre. It really was a tragic event, but all the handgun ban did was stop the hobbyists. And surprise surprise since the ban crime committed with illegal pistols and machine guns (which have never been legal) have sky rocketed.
It annoyed me a lot because I just got into pistol shooting when the ban happened and I knew the ban wouldn't stop gun crime. If you're a bank robber do you really care that your gun is illegal? Probably not.
Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread! :D
Yeah Stubear, just get a 12G side x side shotty and cut it down to pistol length...Now there's some fun for ya...:)
Mick
Get a good old fashioned Taurus Judge. 45 LC and .410 all in an itty betty 3" barrel.
Sounds like a real fast way to break your own wrist to me O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by MickR
I had to hand in (for destruction :( ) the .22 my Dad handed down to me with the last lot of knee-jerk bans that went through here. It was a semi-auto so OBVIOUSLY it was a danger to society. Yes I'm still bitter and will hold a grudge towards the sawn-off little pin witt Prime Minister who did this till the day I die. I hope karma does something particularly nasty to his ass.
I hear ya on the pin wit PM brother. As to the sawn off idea...Well I knew this bloke...A mate of a mate so to speak...A long time back now, who tried something like that, and it was a whole heap of fun. Two hands required, and very short range...But fun.
Mick
PS. I should add that this was before any kind of licencing system was in place here. Back in the eighties just prior to politics gone rabid against guns.
So true stubear. Knee jerk gun laws put in place in response to crimes only served to reduce the number of recreational shooters in Canada and also now in Finland (went in last month for handguns). It has been a high profile issue in Canada for some time. One of the funny aspects of how the law is designed in Canada is that you can have a 20mm rifle, if the gun is at least 26 inches in overall length. Go figure.
As with the 50 or 338 lapua, you don't have to carry it. just set up and shoot. they will never know where or what is coming at them. Over a Mile the shot can barely be heard much less determine where it is from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Blue
But as has been said. Even with the best scope optic, It is very hard to see and shoot accurately over a mile. That is why trained sniper's/spotters are truely the best of the best. It's not all about pulling the trigger. It's about what else goes into making a great team.
That being said I would love to try the 20mm but as far as owning one?,,,,,, I still stick by the 338 Lapua. IMHO it's my fave!!!!!
^ True enough. I am considering a DSR Precision in .338 rather than .50 just because no ranges have banned them :)
Plus if they hear the shot, even if they can't pick the direction, you obviously missed.
Reminds me of a story Gary (Traveller) once told here. His friend had a purdey shotgun stolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickR
He filed a report with the police and a couple of months later he gets a phone call that it was recovered from some gang member who wanted to rob a store or something like that, and he could get it back.
Only numbnuts had sawn off the barrel and the stock.
Total cost of repair was 125000$.
OUCH! >.< :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by MickRussell
Ditto what Mick said. Obviously those crims had no idea of the value of a Purdey.
Mick
I have places to shoot these weapons, and I do enjoy the "big bang" In all honesty I decided to go with a 20mm over a .50 because I don't hunt. I shoot targets and having the AT&T factor to put a 2ft hole in a concrete block from over a mile away just makes me smile. As far as the recoil and noise, depending on the rifle the recoil is similar to that of a .50. If you fire a Lathi 20mm the recoil is manageable, heres a pretty nice video of someone using a Lathi, I've only gotten to fire a 20mm recoil-less rifle which was :D funQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
YouTube - ‪20mm Lahti‬‏
I've had the pleasure of shooting a .50 & if I ever have an "issue" like E.D. I will definitely have to get me one, cause when you squeeze that trigger you can just feel the power unleashed...rrrrrrrr