How many people CCW here?

At this point in time, in a handgun I'd take a sig .357 with max + custom loads over anything else.

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

BUT and this is actually a small but hehehe

The rifle and cartridge that sling a .223 bullet vary greatly, also the bullet and composition of that bullet can change it from an Explosive impact to a Penetrator that barely displaces any tissue at all this is also true of most all cartridges...

Just take Bruno's question of .44 vs .45 and trying to simplify the difference to just the Diameter which also varies within each caliber

There is a multitude of both and that is without going to the older outdated rounds..

There are .45 caliber handgun rounds that make a .44 rem mag look wimpy in comparison

It just isn't that easy a .44 mag loaded with a +280 gr full jacketed say a 300 gr Barnes Buster will punch a neat clean .429 hole through somebody without much Tissue damage at all, so unless it is a fatal organ shot it will probably not kill.. Where you take the same gun and load it with a 210 gr High Expansion petal style HP and that same non-fatal shot might very well kill or seriously maim, it is just not that simple when you start discussing Terminal Impact ballistics ..

Huge amounts of money in testing and development has gone into finding the best designs for each use of each caliber and cartridge... so ammo and bullet selection can become as important as weapon selection :)

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So true,I spent two yrs in nam as a navy corpsman,66/67 first yr doing forensics on the VC, second yr running a morge on a hospital ship.
At any rate,the M 16 rnds came in 3 diff types,all were 55 grn bullits,all copper clad as per geneva convention rules.
One type used against armored VC units had steel or tungston carbide cores,The other,issued to infintry were lead core,none fragmented unless the troops filed of the tips as was common practice but ill advised.
The lead cores were designed by stoner to yaw (tumble) when entering the body,the damage caused thru an M16, was amazing,tiny entry hole,exit hole the size of a softball or larger.

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Originally Posted by Hirlau

Absolutely, is not the .45 the Holy Grail of calibers. :shrug:

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By that reasoning, you are still a sissy for not shooting 0.50 magnum.

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Someone tell me why some. 45 barrels are rifled and some are not.

Unless it is an old muzzle loader type .45 I would say they are rifled. I have a baby eagle 45 that has polygonal rifling. Hard to see unless you hold it to the light just right. Instead of grooves it has flat spots machined in the barrel.

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Originally Posted by Chugach68

Unless it is an old muzzle loader type .45 I would say they are rifled. I have a baby eagle 45 that has polygonal rifling. Hard to see unless you hold it to the light just right. Instead of grooves it has flat spots machined in the barrel.

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I was told that some tumble?

Are you talking about in flight or once they hit a body? All modern guns are rifled except for shotguns, my Judge was even rifled. Some of the old, really old, stuff (blackpowder) was smoothbore, but when they found out the difference in accuracy...well, lets say the rest is history.

Some full metal jacket bullets are known to twist and yaw once they hit the body, namely .223 & I think 7.62x39.

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Originally Posted by shooter74743

Are you talking about in flight or once they hit a body? All modern guns are rifled except for shotguns, my Judge was even rifled. Some of the old, really old, stuff (blackpowder) was smoothbore, but when they found out the difference in accuracy...well, lets say the rest is history.

Some full metal jacket bullets are known to twist and yaw once they hit the body, namely .223 & I think 7.62x39.

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In flight. Now keep in mind this is all hearsay.

All modern pistols and rifles are rifled & the bullets are spinning rather quickly when they exit the muzzle, the exception would be a slug out of a shotgun...and then some shotguns have slug barrels that are rifled.

Still carring my Ruger P89DC @ the 4 o'clock in an uncle Mikes IWB, with an extra mag at the 9 o'clock in an old lock blade sheath.