Ok I understand what you're saying 10pups.
Thank you geezer I wasn't sure how the geometry on this machine would work it just said that it was made to do this so I thought I'd ask before jumping on it an being sol.
Bluesman7 if I may ask why did you guys all go to a belt grinder instead of the double hollow grinders ( basically what are the advantages of this)?
Thank you scottgoodman that was a helpful read I have read a lot about what people have built an are using. I just thought I might be able to use those 2 machines I showed an maybe I still can but it looks like I maybe better off just starting out with what I need an what will do the job right an in a timely fashion.