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I bought this quite cheap (if it in fact escher stone), really wanted the box for my current escher of that size, hoping the stone with it is escher but not sure. Would appreciate any thoughts. I haven't received it yet, so can't take wet pics and not sure if it is maybe dust or dried out surface. Colour looks a bit light to be escher as it doesn't seem to have green or yellow tint. Thanks
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Many people call those stones "Eschers", but they are a different brand of genuine Thuringians. And, don't worry about the color. They come in a lot of colors. If it feels like a Thuringian when honing and shaving, and with that box, it should be one. But it's not an Escher.
Thanks. I bought an "escher" from a member on this forum classifieds with the same logo, he guaranteed it was a genuine escher. The seller stated "On the label, the chalice in the center, that signifies Escher. Only genuine Escher stones have labels with the chalice on them"
Was I mislead?
I can't say for sure, but, if it were an Escher, you would see the word written somewhere.
I don't know whom this brand belonged to, but I know that most of them are from the same quarry the Escher stones came. That hardly makes them Escher stones, no need to worry though. An Escher is a Thuringian with a fancy name. There are lots of unbranded Thuringians that perform as good, and I know from personal experience that those "genuine water stones" or hones, they are excellent finishers.
Thanks.
I trust the seller when he said was a good stone, he seemed like a really nice, genuine and helpful person. I just wanted to know because I based my valuation and decision to buy on the assurance it was an Escher. If its not an Escher, I paid too much for it, could have got a thuringian cheaper - ie the one pictured above, bought that half the price I paid from the other seller via SRP classifieds and the one above came with a box unlike the one via classifieds here.
Your were not mislead, the label with the chalice or goblet, with the letters E & co are genuine Escher label.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewJM
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Thanks :)
As I mentioned previously, the seller seemed like a genuine person, and I didn't want to think the worst of him or jump to conclusions, as he was really friendly and helpful. I must have just got a good buy on the recent one purchased (50 pounds or a bit under US$100).
Still, for the new one pictured above, does the stone look like a genuine escher from the pic? (I know the pics arent the best) or is it perhaps a different stone in the escher box? The wording on the listing didn't suggest that it was only the box that was genuine, nor did it specifically state that the stone was the original from that box. I just took a punt on this one.
I think I was just alarmed when previous post stated that it was a different brand of thuringian and not escher.
Still keen to hear anyone else's thoughts. Cheers
Thanks. I was wondering why everybody who sells a genuine water hone thinks he has an Escher. I guess they can be called Escher stones too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
In any case, there are many Thuringian stones here and there, and we don't know what they are. Some guys here are very knowledgeable and know what they are selling, but not everybody is. A box like this works like a guarantee, and from getting a piece of cheap slate that was recently named Thuringian, it's worth to spend 20$ more for getting the box with the real real deal inside.
I would say yes, the size is right it fit the box correctly, the color looks right, most stones ive seen in this kind of box always seem to be like a blue escher, its a fine stone a very good finisher, only drawback about this stone is its small size.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewJM
Yes I know the size is small :( But I couldn't justify spending a fortune on a larger one.
The one I currently have is the same size, and have only used it to refresh one razor, but the size seemed usable but not preferable. From what Ive read it only takes a dozen or less passes to put the final polish on an edge before stropping? If this is the case, I don't mind doing a few more to cover the blade length, and was able to easily keep the blade flat and flush with the stone whilst doing it.
Theres a larger one on ebay at the moment, but seller wants AUD$677 (with no label) for it. Thats a little steep for me. If I could get a larger one for a few hundred I'd go for it and sell the ones I have bought.
All it matters is that the stone works for you, a bigger stone wont yield better results, if you take the time to learn what works on this stone you will get good results every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewJM
Nothing more to add then it is an Escher labelled Stone as it has the Escher Cup....Price was ok, but not that cheap as the Size is a smal sized one....but i wish you much fun with this one !!!
it seems to be an interesting one, as this one has some fine striations or colours (as i look right at the pictures)....
I too have recently bought a Thuringian, of which I do not know it is an Escher, but the label attached to this one is really suggestive. It clearly shows the little hammers from the Escher label(s) and it has "ES" in it's trademark logo, which for me clearly refers to Escher Sohn. It's a nice hone however and it feels and acts like the other small black/blue Thuringian I own.
Why do I believe it is not an Escher? It's because I have never seen this label in any document or web page summing up the different Escher labels, in which the goblet and/or the 2 or 4 people are always present.
Anyone have an idea of the miner or company for this one?
Thanks in advance,
Han.
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It appeared several times in the past. And yes its an Escher & Sohn label....Quote:
Originally Posted by handamen
Probably Hatzicho will chime in if he has further information available...
Yeah that's an interesting label that I have seen before.
To be honest - I am not 100% sure that it is an Escher label. It might also be a label of a different company that want to profit from the success that the Escher companies had and simply want to get close somehow with the label. But lets look a bit closer on what we see on the label.
We see the letters E and S and we see the mining symbol hammer and pick. The mining symbol is a general symbol used by most mining companies, so nothing really special for the Escher company. It appears on some Escher labels, but only on labels of the company Escher&Co, not on the labels of Escher&son (as I have pointed out elsewhere - these were two totally different companies with the same roots, but acting totally independend from each other). Also the mining symbol appears most of the time together with the typical Escher cup, in that we found the inscription E&Co.
Here we found the letters E and S which could mean Escher and Son (that doesn't fit to the mining symbol) or Escher - Sonneberg which would fit for both companies up to a certain time. The stone itself looks like a mottled black thuringian hone (not sure - pics that show the stone wet would help). These stones were only mined and sold by the company Escher&son at a time, the company Escher&Co was already taken over by the Deutsche Schleifmittelwerke AG. But they used the Escher&Co logo further for their sales.
What's even more mysterious is the trade mark printed on the label: Ash (the tree) that is translated Esche (so Escher without the "r") - it seems that it should remind on the company name Escher....? Why should the Escher company itself, well known for their waterhones and label, create a seperate trade mark they call Esche?
It might have been a very old label, but if the stones are really the black mottled ones -they were mined proofen only after 1937. So this label is really a bit of a mystery to me. Maybe the same company that sold this black mottled stones under the nam O-Ha Magnetstein also created this label or another company that bought the stones from Escher&son and put their own label on it. So E could stand for whatever company and S for Solingen for example....? Or for the company Ernst Scharff. They sold thuringian hones under their trademark Ernst Scharff & Kober - Juwel. Their abreviation on hairclippers is E.S.F. for Ernst Scharff Frankfurt though. I don't know! Maybe some time we will find a proof.
Regards Peter
Han just for asking. Is this really a mottled Thuringian or does it show only one coloration...its not completely visible on the pictures youve shared
Thanks guys, it gets interesting now.
Peter, I am a newbie so I am really amazed of how much info one could extract from a small sized piece of paper like this one.
I will lap the stone to reveal its true face and post some pictures, dry and wet. At this moment I think the stone is of one color.
(I know not much but I am one hell of a photographer :))
Greets, Han
A stone without label is not an Escher unless proven otherwise.Quote:
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So here they are. The last three ones are wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by handamen
Greets, Han
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Hi Han,
that is not a black mottled Thuringian, but looks like a simple black or blue one (of course with some structure). Hones like this black or very dark blue were also mined by the Escher company as I have reported in my old thread here:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...er-stones.html
But to be honest - a lot of slate looks like this. There also have been other slate mines who quarried hones like the ones I see in your picture.
So how does the hone work? That's all that counts in the end!
Peter, that's a fact!
I will find out in time what it does for me. At the moment I have not shaven yet on a finish produced by this actual stone, but I did finish some french pocket knives with it. It behaved like the other dark Thuringian I have, equally fast and maybe a slightly better result, but this may be because it is slightly bigger and therefore easier to use.
I am pretty sure this hone is not another slate type, at least not the ones I came across.
If there is no definite answer to whether it is an Escher or not, it will be so. At least we contributed a little to the knowledge base of Thuringian hones in general.
Thanks guys, I hope we will some day be able to clarify the mystery.
Greetings, Han
Hi Han, here a short Update to put that to this discussion. This is no proof or any direct finding, but this picture is an extract from an old Escher & Co. letter from 1913. The Medals the company earned or received from the World Trade fairs where put into the tree and the treeroots…probably as a proper ground of their business. Its a symbolic use of the tree….
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b22100_o_d.jpg
Thanks a lot! I think it indeed still does not proof my stone (the small one I have posted earlier (with the E S 'ash tree' trademark)) to be an Escher hone, but this image is a very nice addition to the discussions about Escher hones. My particular one hones like a dream. It is very fine gritted, like many Thuringians I have aqcuired since, but it leaves a very nice smooth finish to shave with, even better than some real Escher stones I have. I think I will never sell it again, because it turned out to be one of my best hones for personal use (next to an unlabeled chunk of dark green Thuringian that likely has been one of Hatzicho's once).Quote:
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