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Bought this a while back for under 30 bucks.
Stones does have some rust happening on the top side from
where it ben stored in the basement. The side with the least damage
from being so old is the side with the label.
Is there a way to get the label off without destroying the label it cause that's
the side I want to use.
Being it's so soft I think the heavy used diamond plates can easily get
the bad spot off the stop side.
Take a good pic of it, print it out, stick it on the other side. If it looks okay then lap the old one off. I don't think yo have the the time it would take to save the old one even if it was possible. I mean people put burnt money back together to determine how much was burnt and museums do some restoring that is not to be believed. Is it worth all that ?
Ever heard of hitting the Jackpot?? You did! Eschers are among the best hones available.
Some folks do use a very careful razor blade to remove the label. It is probably a hide glue and not too very strong. Contact a real hone person for better directions. look in hones, natural.
Maybe a DE razor blade & a heat gun to heat the adhesive holding the label,,,, just my guess.
I have a different approach. That's because everything in my idea is at my house. Preserve the label where it is and take a thin slice off the other side with a wet saw, then lap it. Lacking the tools to do that, move the label, in the end it will be worth your while.
Depends on how you want to proceed with the Escher...want to sell it ? Never remove or lap the label away that would be just crazy....Quote:
Originally Posted by 10Pups
Want to use it? You can try to put the stone under water for a certain time to get the glue being removed a bit and to remove the sticker, BUT on old labels this can also be very difficult...if you wait to long colour can be removed or parts of the sticker can be loosed....
Other way could be to lap the backside so far that the damage (though i think its no real damage) is removed....
I also wouldn't recommend to make any tries to remove the label. The Escher&Co Labels were glued with a very tigth glue, so they normally don't loosen in water (some Escher&Sons label could easily be removed - I think JimmyHad posted something to that phänomen in earlier posts here).
The chip looks bad, but there is enough material left that it could be lapped out. So the hone would still be thick enough to serve a live time and if you ever decide to sell the hone it still has the original label.
Escher stone, nice. If you are intent on keeping the label then perhaps talk to an antique dealer nearby? Alternatively just use the stone with the chip and lap it down naturally. Round the edges around the chip and normal square edge and you're good to go!
If he was going to lap the original label off I wouldn't even bother taking a copy of the original. It wouldn't help confirming it's a Escher. Anyone can take a copy of a Escher label and stick it on a stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10Pups
I'd get some 60 grit Emory cloth and go to town on the top. There's plenty of stone left to lap that chip out. Tape off the edges of the back and use some polyurethane to seal the label first though.
To save the label I suggest that you contact a local paper conservator in you area, they deal with these issues all the time and can lead you to a proven way to remove the label. You usually only get one good shot and preserving something like this, old paper is more fragile than new but it is the binder that you need to navigate around, it can be as simple as the temperture of the solvent. Also once you get the label off you need to conserve it or lay it down on a new carrier, this is an important decision because you don't want to tear it while it is in it's most fragile state, which is just the moment when it is removed from the stone and hanging by your fingers or tweezers. You need to have your new carrier right at hand. The old "leave it in a book to dry" can lead to other issues.
good luck
Alex
Got a side pic? Curious how deep the chip runs...if its not real deep id just lap the stone till its all flat and out
I take a picture in the morning it's half way though the stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop
There is also one on the other side.
Personally I wouldn't waste excess stone unnessasarily. Lap the top till flat and where there are any chips camfer the edges into the chip and your done. No different than a bout or similar. As long as you keep the razor flat when honing it shouldn't cause any issues.
I second what eddy said
Absolute beauty . I have 1 Esher - blue and green , barber delight . I could enter into burning house , for this stone .
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I think at this point, you can do whatever you like. Eschers are nice, but when they have large defects, they are only worth a fraction of ideal...from experience.
They lap easily, though, just don't be too heavy handed because they can crack (and may have some light stress cracks or layers in them as you lap far from the surface).
If you'd like to sell the stone, I'd leave it as it is and sell it to someone else. When they're less than 2/3rds of their original thickness or so, they also drop in value.
The label may be covering defects, I'd leave it where it is. The person who put the label on the stone likely chose the best side to leave unlabeled. It appears that one has some discoloration at least at one of the corners on the back.
If you're going to keep it, I'd just lap the stone until the defect was out and if the stone was thin, mount it to something. as a user stone, it'll never make a difference if it's a little thinner. The value is already mauled to some extent by that chip.
It already seems loose near the drawing so I'd try it with heat or water and a DE razor blade. Even a partial label should be enough to proof it's an Escher imho, so if you can only remove parts I wouldn't worry about it.
Otoh you could just leave the label and use it as slurry stone.
I'm way late to this thread, so it is probably long since solved one way or the other. The labels with the two people, a barber and one customer IIRC come off easily with a little bit of soaking. The ones with the group, like yours are much tougher. I forget who it was, but somebody posted that after soaking one for days, they were able to remove it intact. Anyway, I'd use it as it is. Bad chip but it looks like there is plenty of hone there if razors are what you're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzicho