I just wanna ask how big a La Luna stone use to be ? I never had some one, I hade 9 finishing stone with different size, will know that La Luna has just one size or has different size, thanks for any answer :)
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I just wanna ask how big a La Luna stone use to be ? I never had some one, I hade 9 finishing stone with different size, will know that La Luna has just one size or has different size, thanks for any answer :)
They sold in a lot of different sizes...
100 x 50mm
120 x 60mm
140 x 70mm
170 x 80mm
100 x 30mm
120 x 30mm
150 x 35mm
175 x 40mm
200 x 50mm
250 x 60mm
300 x 60 wohaaa thats a killer
It's a pity that only the tiny ones are nowadays around, and even them are rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
There is one on the Bay right now. There is either a deep scratch or much worse a crack on the bottom side. A scratch is no problem...perhaps Vasilis could give an opinion. I expect this to go through the roof anyway otherwise I would have kept my mouth shut.
Harhar ;-) yeah it will rise up a bit!!Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
Thank you WW243, but I'm by no means an expert on stones, it's just HAD, and I really really like the "hones" subforum.Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
Indeed, a big stone appeared! And the price will go though the roof.
It's a natural stone, there are people who found some great Lune stones, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't live up to your expectations. So far I only recognize the Escher and legitimate Nakayama maruka stones as guaranteed quality.
A strange thing about this seller, he sold more than 4-5 La lune stones in a couple of months. How many does he have? Assuming that his "lower" grades are sold first, I'm thinking about asking him when will he sell his last one. I might take a loan to bid on that one. Or sell a kidney or two. How many of them do we have? :hmmm:
Vasillis he might be a "Hone" collector from some french sites or fleamarkets....the stones arent "that" rare because they appear regularly. I mean 2-4 times a month, in the beginning they were sold quite cheap and actually a lot of people know how the price changed and buy and sell them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
I got this Special Stone last month, its in 18x4x2cm
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/...5511a3_c_d.jpg
So......crack or scratch on the Ebay hone, any guesses? BTW doosch....that is a beautiful rock in the pick!
If we are talking about this big "for special razors only" or something like that, stone, I don't think there is some serious flaw with it from what I saw. But the people interested in them... That's a problem. So, let's all assume that it isn't worth even the shipping because of it's condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
If this is mentioned, i dont see a crack or big issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
I don't understand 'the people interested in them' being 'a problem.' Can you elaborate?
For the record I would have liked very much to use the two natural hones you mentioned above, especially the Escher. But they are above my pay grade and I now have an excellent series of synthetic hones with the SG 20k my finisher. I have no intention of acquiring more hones, probably no more razors either. This is not some proclamation it is simple math and something called fixed income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
Indeed the way I wrote it was wrong. People interested in them pose no problem at all. On the contrary, we know about them because people were interested in them. And in letting us know about them and their characteristics, I'm grateful in each and every one who shared his or her experience with me/us.Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
But the fact that demand exceeds their availability decreases the chances for us getting one. And, every second, our chances decrease of getting one, as stones get thinner every time someone uses or abuses them. I can't help but feel a little jealous of not having one. Of course, no hard feelings for anyone who has one or two. But for any of you that have more than ten of a type with the status "extinct in the wild", I will find you! Unless it's for scientific purposes, on which you have to treat them in a humane way, or he intends to open a museum.
I have a little bitty one, 100mm x 50mm about 4" x 2" - not exceeding my quota! :gl:
I will never understand the Discussion on Thuringians and Eschers. Actually the thing with the "pay grade" is depending on size....Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
Shure you wont get a 8/10inch Stone for cheap, but actually smaller and narrow sizes (up to 15cm) are in a normal range comparable to other stones...you can get some nice small stones or Bouts for around 60USD....so Feel free to sent me a PM...
Somethin like this is even cheaper...
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7499/...8e14fd_c_d.jpg
I bought an unlabeled La luna from a french guy who was selling coticules on Ebay. He had pictures of himself holding the cotis in front of his stone collection and I noticed 2 or 3 labeled La Lunas in the back round so I go his email address an asked him if he wanted to sell one. He replied saying that the labeled ones were not for sale but he had an unlabeled extra fine one which he said was about a 12000 grit.he would sell for $100. He sent me pictures of the one that was for sale along with pictures of labeled ones to demonstrate that they were the same - same saw marks and same glittery honing surface. I sent him the 100 buck then I did not hear from several him due to the huge storm in France which cut power to a large part of the country but yesterday the stone showed up. I put a Filamonica 13 that was coticule sharp on the stone for about 6 to 8 laps with water and the razor got way sharper. When I shaved with it I got an incredibly close but rather harsh shave. I read the post about using it with oil so today I dispatched my wife to the sewing machine store she uses to pick up some oil. As with most things there seems to be a learning curve with a La Luna. I attempted to upload the pictures but the JPEG files are to big and I don't know how to work around that.
There are differences between the two variants, the blue metallic ones, or the one you bought are interesting and very fast and effective cutting stones. I also find them scary sharp resulting in a harsh feeling...Quote:
Originally Posted by dan656
The purple ones are those i mostly would recommend, just because the results and the feeling of the shave is much better in my point of view. They give a close and quite smooth shave, a very balanced shaving result in the end.
Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
Question though, are these like most other stones that are able to create that scary sharp/harsh edge though? That is, after a few shaves and some really good stropping, does the edge become more comfortable to shave with?
My experience is that surely the edge changes after stropping....so yeah it kinds gets a bit more comfy to shave then. But if you like that kind of feeling? in the end is a type of personal preferation, so in this case the edge gets never to the stage where i personally would love to see it....thats different with the purple stones which in the end reach more that point i like and create the shaving result i normally prefer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal
Gotcha. Actually I dislike it too. I have a few stones that can leave a harsh and somewhat unforgiving edge. But that feeling only lasts 2 to 3 shaves at most from those stones, and then it mellows out and they become OK to shave with. If they were as you described and just stayed harsh I would likely not use them at all for razors.
Well they were sold to be used with razors and i wouldnt say there not usable for that. You know there are a good amount of guys around loving ultra sharp edges experimenting with CBN, Diamondspray, Nano Cloth and all the other stuff....so iam sure there people around who like the shaving sensation of those...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal
I never liked any result of synthethic stones (8k King, 10k or 12k Naniwa), so i mostly prefer naturals. Even if the shave was very good and close...i just didnt like the extreme sharp/harsh esges.
Do you know where I can get a purple one?Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
OK, I did manage to buy a 4" X 2" labeled purple La Lune from my guy in France and yes it is much less aggressive. Under magnification the sparkles are far less numerous and they appear to be smaller in size. How do you recommend using it? All my razors are hone sharp and I do not want to dull one to fool around although I did run one over for about 10 laps and I will try it later today. Any advice will be appreciated. Tx, DanQuote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
Experiment with slurry, much like a coticule or Jnat, go from thickish/ cream like, to thin, finish on a thin water slurry. Experiment with the number of laps.
A drop or two of Smiths honing solution or Ballistol is nice for finish or added to slurry.
I like it off a solid 8k edge.
The stones were recommended to be used with oil, thats what FGBC wrote in their Bulletin of Guarantee.
I also prefer to use oil or water glycerine to finish on those stones. Progress to 10k or 12k and proceed with several laps of oil on the stone....
Actually as you read Euclids posts, there is no right or wrong. Feel free to try out both or more procedures and report back here what suited you best.
Is Smith's more or less the same as glycerine and water?Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
It is a water-soluble oil, thinner than glycerin, like the water soluble cutting oil used on CNC machines, which is what it might be.
Ballistol is also easy to find and performs the same adding just a bit of slickness and washes off clean.
A bottle of Smith’s sells for about $6.
I don't recall where I heard it, on a forum, or word of mouth, but someone told me it is mainly mineral oil ? Referring to Smith's. IIRC same with Ballistol ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Euclid440
Actually the Smith's honing solution is mostly water. Over 80% IIRC. It also contains a small percentage of triethanolamine - an emulsifier (emulsifiers help make some oils more soluble in water) and some form of lubricant. (Not mineral oil - they make a point of it being a non-petroleum lubricant right on the label). IIRC Ballistol on the other hand is composed partly of mineral oil.
I agree that it mostly contains water, and isn't petroleum based, there is the faint smell of some volatile organic compound, it reminds me of something. Triethanolamine is a strong base though, and strong bases tend to rust steel like acids. Containing an emulsifier is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by eKretz
By the way, I just tasted it, it has no taste it does not remind oil (I guess you can't use it to fry stuff as an alternative :p) and does not appear to be a base either. I'll try the paper pH meter thingies to check, but it must be neutral since it protects from corrosion and all that.
pH is 8 IIRC. It's a very small amount of TEA, something like 2%.