Printable View
I'm thinking of buying a set of Asano Naguras, the three pack without the Koma.
What I want to know is would I use them all on my Nakayama finishing stone.
I have a Shobudani which is in the area of 16k and the Nakayama is finer.
Would I go from the Chosera 1k bevel setting onto the Asanos skipping my Shapton 4/8K.
Thanks for the help
My progression is to start with my Chosera stones (1k/5k/10k) before moving to my Oozuku where I do a full nagura progression finishing with water only on the Oozuku. I have gone straight from bevel set on the 1k to either my Nakayama or my Oozuku, but I like to polish the edge on the 5k and 10k. When I use the JNATs after the higher grit stones, I do not spend a lot of time on the 5k and 10k. I tend to do about 10 circles and 10-20 x-strokes on each of those higher grit stones before moving on.
I see. So I would go 1k/4k/8k/ Nakayama with the three Asano then the tomo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalBeagle
At the moment I go 1/4/8k then Shobu with a Nakayama Nagura then onto the Nakayama with a tomo nagura.
As with most things I think evolution and progression is where its at.
What you will find is that every natural stone has its own character. I encourage you to experiment. Pick a blade with an edge you put on using your current technique. Once you get the nagura set, take it from bevel set up through a progression and see what you think. Then go back to the beginning and change it up. Think of all the permutations you can. This will help you decide which method works for you and your particular stone set...
I will do that.. This honing business really is a rabbit hole and I think I took the blue pill and the red one :chapeauQuote:
Originally Posted by LegalBeagle
[QUOTE=JOB15;1482588]I see. So I would go 1k/4k/8k/ Nakayama with the three Asano then the tomo.
At the moment I go 1/4/8k then Shobu with a Nakayama Nagura then onto the Nakayama with a tomo nagura.
As with most things I think evolution and progression is where its at.[/QUOTE
I think you may find that if you max out your 8K synthetic edge and then go to a Botan slurry on your base stone it may take the edge backwards, this is where experimentation will help you.
I suggest that you hone a razor on your synthetic progression and shave off of your best 8K edge, then take that same edge and hone on a Botan slurry on your J-Nat till all the 8K scratches disappear and you have worked the slurry till it has broken down, strop and shave. This will tell you if you have made a refinement or gone backwards. Shave off of each slurry in your nagura progression as you refine the edge, this will help you to understand what each slurry adds in the edge refinement.
I typically set the bevel and advance through 3K on my Nani Pros, then switch over to the J-Nat progression. I use Botan, Tenjou, Mejero and Komo naguras, then finish with a Tomo slurry. I usually finish on light to medium slurry, sometimes plain water depending on the base stone and razor that I'm finishing with.
I don't think you will have any problem not having a Komo, you just need to hone on these slurries until they break down a good long ways, don't rush them. This is where shaving after each completed nagura slurry will help you get the idea where each slurry will take the edge.
If you chose to do this a time or two you may learn just what the combination of your base stone and the nagura or Tomo nagura is accomplishing in each step of your process.
Remember these are natural stones and are not alike, many differences, and this is where we have to learn our stones. My stones won't be the same as yours, this is true for nagura and Tomo also.
This is why we must test allot, to learn how to use what we have.
I hope this helps.
Frank
[QUOTE=FranfC;1482620]Many thanks, I will try shaving off each progression.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
Just get a nice Mejiro and a good tomonagura (if you do not have one already) and you are set. After your 8k do 2-3 dilutions with Mejiro, then 2-3 dilutions with the tomonagura, that should give you a nice edge.
Maybe someone said this straight up already, I'd use them on the hardest finest stone you have. I agree with Stefan, too, the full progression has more in it than you need (more steps).
Thanks, I will have a go with all the steps and try just the Mejiro/Tomo.
This is all good info.
I watched a JNS video and he mainly used circles with only a few x-strokes.
Do you guys use so many circles?
My personal preference on my Jnats is to just go up and down, no X's no circles (ok a few circles) and no pigtails..
All synthetics I do X strokes & Circles.
If the base stone is hard, it really doesn't matter what you do as long as you don't damage the edge by rolling it or something. You can do half strokes, x strokes, circles, etc, all of them will create a thin edge that has very nice geometry and minute shallow scratch pattern - the strop will do the rest of the work for you.
If you have some idiosyncrasy in one of the methods personally, you might find out that it doesn't work for you that well, but I personally have not been able to tell much difference with the results stone to stone when the fine stone is broken in.
I do circles to begin with then x-strokes mostly. I do not think it matters, it is more of a preference thing.
I have it in my head that circles cut faster and are more aggressive , where as x strokes are slower at cutting and more polite :tameshigiri:Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Hey guys, I received my 3 Asano Naguras today so I gave them a spin.
I honed a T.I Spartacus 1/2 hollow 6/8th .
Setting the bevel on the Chosera 1k and then onto the Shapton 4/8K .
Then on my Jnat (pride n joy) I made a slurry with the Botan . I took an age to make a slurry and the slurry felt gritty , I'm not sure if that was my imagination or maybe some particles fell out of a hole on the underside of the Botan.
When I'd finished I checked under the microscope and I wasn't impressed with what I saw. It hadn't completely removed the 8k Shapton marks . Maybe I should have spent longer on the slurry.
Then onto the Tenjou, easy slurry and the finish looked nice under the scope.
The Mejiro same as the Tenjou ,easy slurry , nice to work with and looked great under the scope.
Same thing with the Tomo.
Afterwards and a strop later I checked under the scope and the line edge looks very very straight . It also pops arm hair nicely.
Its my brothers blade so he can guinea pig him self with it over the weekend with it whilst I hone one of my blades.
I have also ordered a Koma from Aframes to complete the line up..
I love using my Nakayama and now I can spend more time on it.. Its a win win :shrug: