1$ estate sale find, What is it? P.S. mother in-law bought it for me!

My sweet mother in law, who for 30 plus years has indulged my hobbies, found this for me at a local estate sale. She paid all of 1$ for it. When I first held it it was so worn and loaded up that it appeared to be an old carborundum (it is just a hair bigger than one), but when I later looked closer at it I saw that the lamination/layers were not even and figured this was a natural cut stone. After I worked it over with a flattening stone, I could see its true color. Now I still have no idea what it is. It seems to be fairly old, The box had no markings. The stone itself is probably about 1K-3K, it feels fairly aggressive.Attachment 208865Attachment 208866Attachment 208867 Thanks Todd

At $1.00 you cant go wrong. Even if it is too aggressive for a razor, would be good for pocket knives.

Nice find for one dollar!

Mother-in-laws can be great as is yours. Great score and the price was right.

I would be very excited if I found a 1-3K natural hone that was even slightly aggressive. Try it first on a knife or a chisel and then work up to a razor. A good natural capable of bevel setting is very rare.

It is a useless piece of junk that you must send to me immediately so that I may dispose of it before it infects the population and creates a pandemic of global proportions.


P.S. there will of course be a small disposal fee.

I had owned a similar stone to this and was in box marked by state abrasives. Not to say it os the same but does look it.

Can you add some daylight shots...

Looks like a Coti ;-)

it seems to me it's kind a hard for razors. but it can be used for delete the chips in the bevel. or you can use it for knifes. for 1$ it's a good deal.

Here are some daylight photos.Attachment 208935Attachment 208936Attachment 208937

Wow, weird stone..... I'd say it's man made but that uneven line of the two layers says not..... :shrug:

It does look like a coti, I'd say if you want to double your money ........ but it is against the rules ...... :w

On my monitor, the daylight photos appear to show a blue tint. Does it have a blue tint? Some synthetic hones DO have irregular borders so that alone does not guarantee that it is a natural hone.

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On my monitor, the daylight photos appear to show a blue tint. Does it have a blue tint? Some synthetic hones DO have irregular borders so that alone does not guarantee that it is a natural hone.

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It kind of reminds me of a vintage Norton synthetic I had years ago, but on my monitor everything is tan or brown in the photo. It is very uniform in the sides/edges for a natural. Unfortunately I don't seem to have pix of the stone, but here is the box and insert that came with it ;

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Well, in natural light, it doesn't have any blue that I can see. It is kinda a light brown/putty color with a similar color back of what appears to be sandstone or brown carborundum. And if it weren't for the unevenness of the layers I would say man made as the working side is so uniform. All my other stones are man made except for a welsh slate type finisher. I have no experience with coti's or any of the other fine naturals, so I would know one if you hit me in the head with it. Thanks for all the input, I'm going to take it to the Seattle group meeting in Sept., see what the consensus is there.
Thanks Todd

Nice find for an estate sale. Wonder if there were any razors before she got there.

Yea, that’s a chocolate Coticule… cousin to the brown Escher…

What’s the slurry like and how is the finish?

Lap that puppy and put a razor on it, compare it to a coticule.

Do post what you find out.

Bart Torfs posted this on the Coticule.be forum years ago.
Here is the link for the whole thread.

I am following the numbers of the layers as they are listed in that thread. We have to start at number 4, because the first 3 are depleted, 4 is becoming rare, and 5 extremely rare at that particular location. Since Ardennes is currently only extracting Coticules at that location, there are no specimen available from other layers.

4. La Grosse Blanche.
Pale colored Coticule layer, that turns deep brown when exposed to (sun) light for a prolonged time. Black manganese lines and dots may be present. Sometimes brown needle-spots, spread over part of the surface, resembling pores (although the surface is non-porous).
Slurry has a characteristic soapy texture. Speed on slurry is fast to moderate. Speed on water generally very slow, but the presence of said brown spots predicts a faster behavior on water. Usually much "slurry dulling", but mellow, skin friendly edges when finished on water.


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5. L a Grosse Jaune (presumably called La Gros Grés by Dumont)
Coticule has a yellowish gray color that turns ochre yellow when wet. Presence of a grainy-looking pattern (although completely smooth to the touch), that is finer than that of La Grise (see there) and more reminiscing of wood pores than of wood fibers. On slurry this is one of the slower layers. On water the stones are slow, with a "magnetic" draw that resembles the "hybrid' side of Les Latneuses. Slurry has a consistency as if a lubricant was add. La Grosse Jaune Coticules are among the easiest to get perfection during the final honing stages.


6. La Dressante
6a. La Dressante au bleu
Always a combo with BBW. separation line sharply defined, and often curved. Coticule has a coffee-with-cream color, a bit darker than the rest of La Dressante. Possible presence of black manganese lines and dots. Possible prescence of red or orange lines. Surface of Coticule is not patterned, some bluish blotches may be present.
Speed on slurry is moderate, about in the middle of the spectrum. Slurry dulling is mild. Speed on water is slow (some discoloration of the water after a set of halfstrokes).

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On my monitor, the daylight photos appear to show a blue tint. Does it have a blue tint? Some synthetic hones DO have irregular borders so that alone does not guarantee that it is a natural hone.

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As an old time photographer (yeah: From the old days of E6 colour slides that is) I can tell you a few things about lights colors. Standard film was balanced to 5500k (the light of the color of an iridium bar heated to 5500 K). This matches roughly the sun light, and electronic flash as well (probably 6000K for the later). Cloudy days are "blue-ish-er" than sunlight (sometimes 12000K). We used to place filters on our lenses to compensate for this.

Indoors lights were very varied. You can browse the web for tungsten (incandescent), mercury vapor, and such. You can even find for fluorescent light but it is not the same from one lamp to the next one, or through one lamps lifetime, or even during the hz period of mono-phase current. Usually greenish but kind of unpredictable.

Returning back from those days, you can now set your camera up for "automatic" light balance (the brains of you camera try to guess the light source and compensate for it; and most of the times hit the target) or "manual" setting (you adjust it manually... when you remember to).

Rgds.

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Yea, that’s a chocolate Coticule… cousin to the brown Escher…

What’s the slurry like and how is the finish?

Lap that puppy and put a razor on it, compare it to a coticule.

Do post what you find out.

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Really? A coticule would be my last guess. La Grosse Blanche coticules turn a deep brown (think mocha). This thing screams man made.

Spray the back once with water and see if it's absorbent. If it drinks that would rule out a Coticule. Looks man made to me. I've had 3 00's and they all had irregular borders.

Congratulations, thanks for sharing, it's the best stone ever.
Mike