Had to have this one: Attachment 213132
Anyone know anything about it?
Although it is a natural Belgian hone I do not think it is a BBW, surface pattern looks quite different.
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Had to have this one: Attachment 213132
Anyone know anything about it?
Although it is a natural Belgian hone I do not think it is a BBW, surface pattern looks quite different.
I think its either a BBW or a Lorraine Rouge.....
The three on the left are Lorraine Rouge, the others types of BBW...
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5768/2...b29519_c_d.jpg
The Pratique was shown in Henks Grinding and Honing Part 4....Jörg owns or owned this type of stone....
The one on the far left appears to be an outlier. It does not have the same speckling.
Its the same stuff, but yeah ist much finer if you focus on optical indentifiers....Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Is the stone in the first post a silica abrasive stone or is a garnet abrasive stone?
Yup, I see it now on my bigger monitor. Expanding the image on my phone was not sufficient to show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
If it is a BBW: yes. It is in the mail now, will let you guys know ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
The seller of this hone sent me an email through ebay advising me that he is a member here and saw the opening post. He let me know he does not object to me showing the picture that I had copied and pasted from the ebay listing but that he would appreciate that I mention it is not a picture I took. His ebay member name is drpcollect, here is a link to the ebay listing: La Pratique Natural Straight Razor and de Razor Blade Water Hone Belgium | eBay
That is Thomas, good guy. I know him through corresponding about Eschers and other Thuringans. He is an expert on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
I mention that only with curiosity because BBWs are a marginal razor stone, but if one was found with a finer grain, it may make a fabulous razor finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
I would be very surprised if it were a BBW. I guess the decorations of the wrapper are Jugendstil aka art nouveau. However, the BBW has only recently been recognised as a hone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
If you buy a lot of old glued combos, you quickly see that you chances of getting salm or even la lorraine as the backing are pretty decent.
Regular BBW is honestly not all that hot as a hone. It's not that fine, it's slow, and that is the good bits, the bad are nearly useless imo.
I think it is thuri stone.
'Marginal' as in 'not very popular' or as in 'not very effective'? I will not argue with you on the first one (as it is not very popular), but all BBW's I have used (around ten) were quite capable of providing a comfortable shaving edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
I found them to be quite fine, just a bit on the slow side. With the right technique and a bit of patience they can provide a shaving edge that is nearly indistinguishable from a good coticule edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by kcb5150
They are great for (kitchen) knives, too. Very much 'splash-n-go', they slurry like nothing else.
But enough about that. As to not divert the attention of this thread too much:
As for the "La Pratique", it is hard to tell from the picture. I cannot make out much of a surface pattern to begin with. I have seen BBWs of that colour though, but that does not really mean anything. I have seen Japanese naturals of that colour too :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
Knives are a different story. I have had nice luck with them for knives, but given the speed and lack of top end, I'd rather use a coarser coticule for that sort of thing on razors. Funny thing is I almost always test the bbw on any old rock I get. Only ever came across one piece that was really good and it was the back to a choice Belgian hones combo. Had good speed and was hard/fine
Know that i remembered the Picture which Jörg had posted on Gut-Rasiert.de. He mentioned it is a La Lorraine....Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
So lets see if yours Kees is the same stuff...
I personally think so...
http://www.gut-rasiert.de/forum/inde...1116#msg411116
Kees, i can only partly share this.....when we agree that the Layer "La Lorraine" is a BBW Layer (mentioned in Henk Bos Grinding and Honing Part 4). We know that these stones have been sold under der Trademarks of F&Co. (Fassbinder & Co., Solingen) and under the Label "La Lorraine". I know that these stones are "La Lorraine" because i own and owned quite few of these stones....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
Also F.G.B.C. better said it seems that also the precedessors company sold the stones under the label M.P.O.P. "La Lorraine", which couldnt be proved till to date. But iam sure and this is my "personal" interpretation that we talk about stones from the "la Lorraine" layer...
Actually they have not been sold as razor hones "explicitely" but as hones for fine instruments and tools, as many other razor hones have been sold...so if we count stones from the Layer "La Lorraine" as BBW stones, we need accept that these were used as razor hones also in the past. From what ive read Burton Rox was the company selling/marketing the stones of the La Lorraine layer first...
Saturday I will meet a few rockhounds and ask their opinion. It is a greyish stone when dry, purple when wet, fairly soft, slurry is purplish.
You might be right, it looks when wet like the 2nd stone from the left but a bit grayer when wet.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5824/...bfdb55_c_d.jpg
I wish you much fun guys !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
Hey Kees any news ? What type of stone is it ?
Interesting stone
purple slurry makes me lean towards BBW
I have quite a few natural combo coti/bbw stones and the BBW ranges are so varied. They are truly amazing hones, their patterns are so nice looking, I absolutely love these stones.
Ranging from purple to dark blue / gray, showing all type of patterns and grains they take all shapes and colors and work amazingly well.
They are superb hones for razors as Pithor has mentioned.
Also, Doorsch, your knowledge and collection of hones is impressive.
@TristanLudlow:
Thank you very much Sir! I well appreciate it....
Try the fine variants with a Glycerine/Water Mixtures or with oil, you can reach some more refinement...
I showed it to Maurice Celis and André, Ardennes Coticule's geologist and both reckon it is a very good Belgian Blue.
Thanks for the confirmation Kees!!
