can anyone tell me something of those old stock stamped and boxed Narutaki Jnats
they came in pretty thin stones , but looks very consistent nd pure .
Someone has one and what are the opinions on those stones
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can anyone tell me something of those old stock stamped and boxed Narutaki Jnats
they came in pretty thin stones , but looks very consistent nd pure .
Someone has one and what are the opinions on those stones
I mean someone that has personal expeience with those boxed old new stack hones awasedo and shiageto .
Seems that nobody haz one
The stone from the link above is an awasedo..
so it must to be an old one or a new one? I can't understand, sorry..
Could you give me an example, please?
Actually i don't know is this stone a vintage one or not.. I can ask the person who wrote the review about that if you are interesting in.
there is a seller from Rusian federation that has exelent review and it has 2 Narutaki that i whant but there is ni data for those stones . The opinions are that they are with a slow cuting action ( witch isnt a ba thing on finishing stones ) and that the are smooth .
No other thing i can find abbout them
RusenBG,
You cannot buy a JNat razor hone that way. There is more difference between individual stones than coticules or Thuringians. There are about 80 different layers in the strata and even within the layers there were stones suitable for tools/knives and others, a smaller percentage, that were good for razors.
The only way you can buy a razor hone is for a knowledgeable seller to tell you that a specific stone is good for razors. Our Alx is very knowledgeable about these stones. You could also contact Shosui Takeda, the knifemaker, who sells stones - he can be contacted on Facebook IIRC. Takeda supplied the Nakayama razor koppas to Mark at Chef's Knives to Go and I have two of them, both excellent razor hones. He sells these at 90 USD.
Cheers, Steve
im a facebook frend of Takeda . he is ultra cool guy .
No stones now unfortunately , out of stck
from RF? ..Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Some of my friends actually have some nice stones for razor and i believe them.. but i can't remember about narutaki among them.
But i can remember a narutaki stone with hardness=3+( 4 - Guns.ru Talks it's not for razor, it's good for knives. So, really, it depends(hardness, color, speed) on concrete examplar.
Narutaki - it's just the name of the quarry, like Nakayama etc.
Try ask the seller about properties.
+1 to Steve56.
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upd: no, it seems that i don't know the seller.. At least - personally.
Hey RusenBG,
Do you mean these stones ?
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It's very good razor hone very hard and scratchy, you must smooth it out after lapping.
This is a final finishing stone with a nice speed for it's grit, if you don't want to use Naguras, the stone will fit at the final stage of polishing, the grit is very fine and consistent.
It's a new comer and I started to like it very much.
I think the reviews you mentioned summed up most narutaki stones. Uniform and a bit slow cutting. If I had to pick stones out of a hat and one said nakayama and one said narutaki, I'd pay more to pick one out of the nakayama hat, especially if it had to sharpen more than razors.
Razor only, it might not matter so much if you're sharpening only your own.
The market is flush with stones right now, so it's not easy to resell stones unless you have a market familiar with you (as in, I wouldn't overpay, or you might be stuck with a stone).
On any stone where it's not 100% known how good it might be, I'd like to have someone tell me that a stone is a good one for razors if I wanted to sharpen razors, unless it was really cheap (and then I'd take the risk just seeing the condition of the swarf left on the surface of the stone).
100% agree. Out of 5 Narutaki stones I owe 4 behave almost the same, the feedback is somewhat glassy, unlike the soft feeling of Nakayamas even the hard ones, but in return this narutaki is finer than any Nakayama I have ever seen, it leave a very polished and refined edge even under high magnification.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
For the price of these Awasedos, the are unbeatable, this one is as fine as my Ozuku which cost three times the amount of the Narutaki.
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Originally Posted by AljuwaiedAK
Basically, don't buy an inexpensive Jnat thinking you might luck onto a super finisher. Sure it's possible just not probable.
Sage advice for sure. There are bargains though, Takeda's $90 Nakayama koppas seemed to be, I have two and they're both great razor hones, the ones I posted above. RusenBG tells me Takeda is OOS on these currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
I've been buying, trading, and selling on a small scale for 6-7 years now, and can say I've only gotten "lucky" once and although the stone was not that cheap, it is considerably finer than it was described to be. I have one more that I consider underpriced for what it is, but it was also not exactly cheap.
Max's Shobus have a good reputation and are cheap for razor finishers. And generally hard gray stones aren't expensive and many work great with a diamond plate for slurry. They're also good for Mikawa nagura use.
Another thoght is to source some narrow stones. I have two that are exceptional and one was quite cheap. People hone on small or narrow coticules and Thuringians all the time, but a small or narrow JNat dosn't get the same love - except from me!
Cheers, Steve
First of all i dont like the diamond nagura slurry as is too coarse and gets fine slower than the normal - it is good if you whant to skipp or miss the midle grit stones.
it works fine with the Sir Alex Gilmore system as this is the old system - bevell setter and finisher .
I prefer to make a slurry with a piece of jasper or another fine and very hard stone , so the slury has a real caracteristic or the main stone .
There is a prefinishers, that , gives super shaving edge as they are chameleon stones . They adapt superbly , with the honing style , and the Jnats are in this category .
They work superb after setting bevel ,they are above medium hardness levell , and on plain watter they do not auto slurry so you can finish and make gordgeous edge on plain watter .
That kind of stone that i need a fine prefinisher and finisher . Super fine finishers i have and the thing is that the the super fine conventional hones aways end up as a slightly dulling the edge sharpness and gives big smoothness
Ive shave almost an year and a half ith this kind of blades and i whant to try a diferent stone
Chameleon stone that refine the edge super and didnt polish it to mirror under magnification
Only a super fune cerated edge ,gives that sharpness and finess that Gnats give and Esher thuries and other ultrafine conventional stones
Now i have a big box full of all of those so im guessing that the HAD is amashing my sick mind
The thing is that i whant to try a diferent stones - from the Jnats ,
and a double action chameleon stones - Maybe the Tomae statta is a good cheap choise ,maybe not , but i searching for more stones that makes edge like ive tell you . i have few of them , still searching for a new one
Hi onimaru55,Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
As said the feeling of the blade on the Nakayamas is soft or creamy ( if you prefer this word ) compared to Narutaki's and even Ozuku's I have observed this on my stones, now how do I interpret the feedback from my stones might be different from what you would say about them, I havent tested many Nakayamas I owe only three and couple of Koppa's nevertheless the feedback is very consistence at least to me, to make my statement more precise here is the Nakayamas that I build my opinion on (all are hard and can be used as final polishers for razors)
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Agree, prepolishers and Naguras leave a polished and refined edge, but what i said was "a very polished and refined edge even under high magnification", now if you can achieve this with your prepolishers or Naguras why you would ever need to get a finisher ? also what does make the stone a razor finisher if "a very polished and refined edge even under high magnification" does not ?Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
well, Im very happy to be that lucky with my stone. yes, a lot have the same idea the Narutaki is inferior to Ozuku and Nakayama, honestly I cant agree or disagree as I dont think that I have enough experience with jnats, to make this judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
Hello RusenBG,Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I think you will need to get one of these...
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This is a Hard Ohhira Suita, it's not the hardest stone and can be slurred with a small true hard ark ( I too prefer to slurry my stones in the same manner )
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As you can see even with knife ( stainless steel ) and a bit of pressure the stone does not auto slurry much, as most of what you see here is steel. this is a new stone in my collection and I haven’t unlocked all of it secrets yet, just yesterday I shaved with it edge I wasn’t very sure about it I even brought another razor just in case since the finish was hazy a bit, nevertheless the shave was amazing and the feel was very comfy no harshness at all.
the seller rated the stone 4 in hardness, however I believe it might be a bit harder than that.
Okudo suita, fast and fine. Something reasonably hard. All suita that have good characteristics are nice prefinishers and some can finish a razor. Okudo are usually the fastest cutting (care with all suitas also has to be taken to find one with a smooth surface if razors will be sharpened on them), shinden are the next but a bit more smooth feeling and less brash than okudo, and then everything else is behind them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
No guarantees, like anything else, fast cutting stones can come from elsewhere, etc.
There are a lot of mediocre tomae stones around (and not to offend anyone, but many from ohira and shobu since those are common right now) that don't cut very fast or fine.
Some of the woodworking retailers have been selling 30 size and 24 sized ohira tomae stones labeled as "ippon sen" for years, but when it comes down to it, they are uniform looking stones that aren't that great. A lot of the large shoubu stones are a little scratchy or have a characteristic of taking odd damage on teh surface, as if they fracture around any scratch lines, and then are very sticky feeling.
Good suita stones won't cut the finest edge, but they will have a very nice feel and not leave you with a mediocre feeling.
Japanese Natural Whetstone "Nakayama Tomae" 409G LV4 Razor Knife | eBay
I just give this one a GO .. Incoooooooming
Ha ha ha It is some tomae layer as i know , maybe Namito who knows ( only God and Alex Gilmore maybe )
The last wasnt a joke .
So it has a Kiita in it a good portion assagi color , an ocher color , the slurry looks very pasty and fine level 4
It has those Nakyama cracs and color in them , as some akapins have , it haz Nashiji patern - it haz everything for a very good stone .
Or not .
It look very consistent , and smooth
The size of 205 x 65 x 17 mm the skin on 2 sides and the...prise of 77 dolars shiped make him a winer
I have an awsome feelingabbout this stone . and my instinkts never lie me abbout stones
I think that this is the stone ive been looking for all of my ife
The pinkish - ocher - kiita mix make me fall in love , from the first moment i saw him
Well if someone has something to say , may speak , or keep quiet forever ( it is from a mouvie , i know )
Your instincts are better than mine if looks always show you what you want to know!!
I always wait until after the honing to try, but if the person selling them has honed razors with them and has a lot of exposure and likes what they do, it should be a good stone.
Well at least can tell me something good my frend if not a finisher it will be a fine prefinisher maybe
Congratulations RusenBG! Looks like a beautiful stone.
Cheers, Steve
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Originally Posted by AljuwaiedAK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNniOsOqBUc
Isnt that a same kind of stone and described hardness . Maybe a similar stone
I'm sure that if a known seller is selling it as a razor stone, it will be good for razors. If it's not specified for razors, it may be something good for tools, and in that case would make a good razor prefinisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Not knocking buying it, I've bought lots of stones that didn't turn out to be great finishers, but liked some of them for prefinishers enough that I'm glad to have them as a prefinisher.
