Cheers guys. Was looking at the king 8k a while ago to go between chosera 1k and 3k bought from the knives and tools site and my slow coticules(still not great with my fast narrow one). But the reviews didn't seem that great. Spent too much over Christmas and need to save up a bit for 8k and maybe 12k ss I think. Koraat blade just ordered is where last of my spare money went for now. Could probably afford the thin ss stones but if I'm going for those quality ones would want the 20mm thick I think. May have to look into the King 8k gold stone 18 cm long 6cm wide and 19 mm high in the short term as a cheap try, never know I may really like it.