Whaddaweavere - Thuringian or Charnley Forest or Llyn Idwal or chunk of Jasper or...

Took a punt on a couple of stone on ePay; I don't know they just looked promising.

http://i.imgur.com/qDgV2Fg.jpg

After a couple of hours work, they came out looking a little more interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/KXD4L46.jpg

There's enough resources on the red/blue stones that I think I'll figure if I have me a La Lorraine, Belgian Blue, Rouge du Salm, etc. All I know though is it's not likely a finisher. But the green one feels harder and finer, but its origin has me stumped. Before hitting the diamonds, I thought it likely a Thuringian (yellow/green probably), but now I'm doubtful. It's more on the turquoise green side and has a generous amount of reddish striations.
Makes it look a little more like a Charnley Forest or Llyn Idwal?

http://i.imgur.com/UDYzXhH.jpg
(set against the Chosera 1k for colour calibration purposes)

Will hone with her later today, but be really keen on your opinion so I might narrow down what I have, and take a better punt on where to use it in a coticule progression, whether to use it with slurry, plain water, a little detergent, etc.

http://i.imgur.com/Fo02I5X.jpg

Thanks in advance.

Big stone looks like Lynn Mellylynn or Vosgiennes, hard or soft? slurry color?
Small stone could be a variation of Llyn Idwal? what it difficult to lap?

Big stone is probably Rouge du Salm, BBW or something along those lines - I'd say definitely not Vosgienne - the figure (almost like woodgrain that changes dependent on viewing angle) that is present in those looks absent in this stone.

The smaller stone looks like a Llyn Id or Charn (leaning toward Charn if the red that I think I see is really there) to me - can't make out the color very well, viewing on a phone screen.

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Originally Posted by eKretz

Big stone is probably Rouge du Salm, BBW or something along those lines - I'd say definitely not Vosgienne - the figure (almost like woodgrain that changes dependent on viewing angle) that is present in those looks absent in this stone.

The smaller stone looks like a Llyn Id or Charn (leaning toward Charn if the red that I think I see is really there) to me - can't make out the color very well, viewing on a phone screen.

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I agree with the big stone for sure.

Does the small stone feel harder or softer than the large stone when lapping/slurrying?

Thanks fellas.

The small stone green stone was far harder to lap. Was very dished so quite the grind getting it flat. The Atoma 400 struggled so I had to resort to sandpaper to lose the bulk. Went from 80 to 240 then to the Atoma.

First hone with it, just plain water after a dilucot progression and it chipped the edge! Couldn't figure why, swore lots and then just finished on the La Dressente. Once the green stone dried I noticed some scratches on the face - must have been some rogue grains off the sandpaper that made it to the last Atoma run. Being so hard a stone, I think during the hone these scratches took little bites out of the edge. So spent another half hour or so going slow with the Atoma to finally rid it of the scratches (they were deeper than I thought!), then to the Chosera 1k and Shapton 5k to smooth it out.

Oddly the little green stone slurries on the Atoma 400 but it makes the Chosera 1k spew its green yeti snot. So must be a hard little bugger. Meanwhile the red stone slurries red/brown on the Chosera 1k. Tried the little green stone again to finish a Sheffield and it put quite a nice shine on the edge following the coticule. I'll know more tomorrow morning when I test shave but we might just have ourselves a finisher here.

For some reason I do not think is CF or LI. More thinking of other hard slate type hones.

If it's that hard, I have to say it's not a slate. Reminds me of the African Silkvein, but is of the wrong color. Charnley Forrest's don't have that type of markings, so it's out...but I can't say its not in the same family.

Since it came with the La Lorrain (which IMO is a great pre-finisher), I would bet it's a finisher of some sort. Have fun with it! Maybe someone will step up with the knowledge of it's information.

If those lines are reddish (and it's pretty hard) I think it could definitely be a Charn still. They have all kinds of different and varied markings from the examples I've seen.

In past I got across some PHIG which were harder to lap then CF.

Yeah they seem to have a bit of range in both appearance and hardness. By reading their accounts, some guys have gotten what they've described as some fairly soft ones, and others are super hard.

Never seen a Charnley with this pattern, seen a boat load in person, online, and countless picture of the actual quarry.
Would be interesting to see side and bottom pictures of this stone.

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Originally Posted by Martin103

Never seen a Charnley with this pattern, seen a boat load in person, online, and countless picture of the actual quarry.
Would be interesting to see side and bottom pictures of this stone.

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Thanks Martin. Got one from each angle, both wet and dry...and in the sun - oh the sun (not seen it i quite a while). Hopefully one of them helps, otherwise more than happy to plus up with whatever you think would be better

http://i.imgur.com/e6Bmf5B.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Zc3HkyN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CI6tJ20.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pHpiJEg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yIUPEti.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3zL1uoU.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/Vz2gw9n.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/xaRmerO.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/eHmqf6y.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/nWjDH14.jpg

I don't think it is a charnley forest just based on the dimensions and how thin the hone is. Not that it can't be, but most are hand cut rough and rounded on the bottom. Even my labled one which was cut using more modern tools is much thicker and has rough spots on the sides and bottom.

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I don't think it is a charnley forest just based on the dimensions and how thin the hone is. Not that it can't be, but most are hand cut rough and rounded on the bottom. Even my labled one which was cut using more modern tools is much thicker and has rough spots on the sides and bottom.

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Thanks mate.:tu

Yeah I lapped both top and bottom - didn't know which was which so. During that process I took off about a third of the thickness - measured about 11 x 3.5 x 1.5 cms - as it was dished and gouged.

Can you show pistyres of those chipped corners without water. from these last pics I would tend to go more towards very fine sandstone.

Ordovician Thuringian maybe

The bottom one almost looks like a La Lorraine. I said almost.............

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Originally Posted by engine46

The bottom one almost looks like a La Lorraine. I said almost.............

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...how does it fall short mate?

The purple stone look like the Lin Merlyn slate or one of the purple vosgienne hones .Whatever it is it is a good stuff
The smaller stone look like the stones that Hazitcho meister describe here

http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ian-hones.html

Whatever they are they are good stuff - They ont make them so good anymore

Don't think it's a frankonian. The stripes are too regular. In frankonians these stripes are mostly toxic and disturb honing.

Interesting and beautiful finds - congrats!

Frankonian stone isn't very hard either - at least mine's not - laps very easily even with a worn-out diamond plate.

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...how does it fall short mate?

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It appears to look like one but I'm not 100% sure. I'm overdue for an eye exam & I wear prescription eyeglasses. I can still see pretty well, I can just tell my vision has changed within the last few years. I did get a La Lorraine from hatzicho in the past & it looks similar. I could be wrong though. He has some very interesting & nice stones & a lot of knowledge on them & a few more. Great guy!