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Hone that just arrived today. It's a UK hone. Not a Charnwood/Charnley Forest as far as I can tell. Perhaps a llyn idwal? Thoughts?
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(there's also an area which appears cracked or perhaps chipped and glued that the seller hadn't mentioned and appeared in his photos just like a discolouration, so I'll have to ask him about that. But it is near an end, so not as crucial perhaps.)
My guess is that it is a LI....
Typical is that swirling which looks like thinner clouds of small darker particles or dots....sometimes bigger dots appear. the coloration ranges from a dark green, to green, to light green.
Here an example in a lighter green with additional bigger dots:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3681/1...360a1c_c_d.jpg
Another one with a more homogenious look in a darker blueish green coloration:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8562/1...3b6197_c_d.jpg
Looks like it could be a dalmore blue to me. The Celebrated Scotch Dalmore Blue Hone | TomoNagura.Com
Can you add some daylight shots and describe the coloration ?
Yes, I'll try to get some additional shots today and put them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
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It's a medium green (forest green?) in colour, with sort of irregular waves of darker green, along with numerous tiny black/dark grey dots speckling the surface and a one larger (though still small) blob of black/dark grey (cluster of dots, I suppose).
To my fingers, it doesn't feel as smooth as my CFs.
More photos, in the sunlight:
https://i.imgur.com/uu3Rt8b.jpg
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Ok thanks its 100% a Llyn Idwall stone....the flaking on one of the sides is typical for those stones.
The Dalmore would appear either in a grayish bigger grained structure (Sandstone) or in a type of brownish coloration due its oiluse...
Ok, that's what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
I have actually been actively searching for a Dalmore blue hone. (I had thought from the start that this one was a Llyn Idwal).
Here are two types of Dalmore Stones with the typic banding in the surface and the sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by benhunt
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3808/1...767d22_c_d.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7303/1...bd585e_c_d.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7395/1...783472_c_d.jpg
I particularly like (and am trying to find) a swirly Dalmore blue like in rideon66's link
They appear from time to time either labelled or unlabelled..the prices are ok but dont expect something spectacular.Quote:
Originally Posted by benhunt
A unlabelled one goes for around 30-60GBP depending on condition and look. Labelled ones are around 80-120GBP from my experience.
I wouldn't dismiss the possibility for the stone to be a Grecian (from UK) stone. They look a lot like the Llyn Idwal, and the line between which is a Grecian and which a Llyn Idwal is thin, here are some photos of a Grecian stone;
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Your stone looks darker but not that different.
Also, the above stone wasn't hard, nowhere near a hard LI, could be used easily with slurry, it was easy to produce it and had nice cutting power.
Vasilis could you explain the difference ? As far as i remember those are the same "type" of stone with one fact that it depends on the labelling if its a grecian or not...the came from the same quarry, right ?
Here was an older post on that topic:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...n-hones-2.html
They are... different. I also assumed that they are they come from the same place, since adrspach saw similar stones at the quarry, only to be scolded on the next post from Neil Miller, may he rest in peace, saying that, as long as we have no actual papers or any kind of proof about quarries of the stone, the fact that they kind of look like it is far from definitive evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
As for my experience, Llyn Idwal stones are generally harder, have a more subtle pattern and swirls, many of them are even completely uniform, enough to confuse them with a slate, I've done that mistake. As for Grecians, unfortunately, there aren't that many of them with labels to point out the exact differences, but generally, they tend to behave less than glass hard novaculite stones, although we might see flaking in them too. And generally, they can be soft and gritty. Again, without labels of both Llyn Idwal and Grecian stones, we can only judge from our own limited experience with the labeled ones.
In any case, I don't think that they are the same stone, or marketing trick. There is a possibility that they are different layers from the same quarry, but again, we have no proof on that too.
Seriously, the old owners or quarries, or sellers, or users should have kept some kind of notes on them, the problem of being unable to pinpoint the exact location or identity of the stone is far too common in our days.
Still, you have a stone; try it, see if it fits your progression, and enjoy honing, names come after that.
