Dalmore blue? please help ID this stone.

Hello everybody,
I picked this up a couple months ago on the bay. It was all black and dirty, but after cleaning it. It turns greyish green,then after it dries it's grey. Never seen that before, so researched on the net closest thing I could find was dalmore blue. Not ever hearing about one I have no clue if it's correct. All I can say is it is finner than a lilly white but not as fine as a vintage black ark. Here are the pics, it's the bigger one.Attachment 246050Attachment 246051Attachment 246052Attachment 246053Dry Attachment 246054 I like this stone for SR way bettter than knives. Thanks for the help.

I don't see any clearly identifiable features that would help ID that stone, but it's safe to say it's probably not a Dalmore Blue. Those always have at least some amount of swirled pattern, and most have quite a lot. Take and post some photos of the sides and well lit closer up photos of anything that might be a distinguishable feature.

It could be a Dalmore Blue but I can't tell with certainty from your pics. The shape is similar to mine and not all DBs have the swirls. The one DB of mine that came with it's original cardboard box has no swirls whatsoever.

You can see a bunch lined up in this old post of mine. The stones are porous, so you could pour a bit of water on the middle and check what happens.

I've had a couple of Dalmore Blues (long since gone) and they have variegated color in them.

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i have no idea what your stone is. however, for comparison: i have a nice chunk of DB, 6" x 2" x 1.5". i bought it new old stock, labelled "for carpenters and joiners". it was dark grey, but became much lighter after lapping and cleaning. i removed the label before lapping, but you can still see where it was attached on the underside. this stone is almost plain grey, no swirls at all, just a faint "cloudy" pattern. picture shows stone dry. not much different when wet, just darker.

regards,
hans

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I just googled 'scotch dalmore blue hone', and clicked on images. There is a slue of 'em. Many are like mine, with the swirls, but not all. Some seem to be more uniformly grey. Take a gander at them here ......... :)

Thank you very much for the help,
Sorrry i forgot the dims 202mmX50mmX17mm and it has the sparkles evenly thruoughout.
Thank's for the links Jimmmyhad, on page two in Neil Miller's pics my stone has the same tight banding on the front and back of my stone.I thought it was fine saw marks but on closer inspection not all the lines are even like saw marks. Some are slightly wavy and one side is perpendicular and on other side has a slight angle. The sides were used by the owner before I got it and can't see any visual indications to give a better idea of what it is. I feel like laping the sides now.
I just got a 14mp Sony camera today and will post better daylight pictures . Again, thank you very much for the help Everybody! I've been stumped for a while on this one.
Israel

IME the 2 dalmore blues I had were intermediate stones. Not finishers, maybe coarse sharpeners. Not coarse enough for bevel setting, nor fine enough for finishing. Obviously they are not all the same so YMMV.

I do not think is DB. Any moreinfo about your hone/

A little more info,
I would put this stone at 4-6k. Henk Bos says 4 or 5k, so I would pick 5k. It was caked in black stinky oil, that took aout a week to get it out. Grey when dry, green/grey when wet.
It has the sparkles all evenly dispersed and has very tight banding I can see in the front and back.
Aj has one on the bay now,and in his discription he say not all have the wavy banding,some are more plain stone, new pics show a little better the light streaking on one of the surfaces.
I took some nice pics earlier today and was going to tranfer from my camera to my tablet.
I found out i was using a dedicated SDHC and my tablet is micro SD. Have to go buy a adapter for the Micro SD to SDHC so the pics will come tommorow.

Are you getting fixed on one name of the hone?
I have to say thank to seller you have mentioned and simmilar to him around the world for messing up the knowledge about the hones in order to boost their profits. Sells decent hones (mostly freshly made/cut) just like to "borrow" names of more known and dearer hones.
As with your hone tight banding is on the side or top of the hone. How porous is the hone? Have you lapped it? How hard is it? What is the slurry like? How does it smell?

Thank you for the links Piet,
Sorry if I have seemed fixated, but most of my new findings are pointing that way. No final conclusion, just happy to getting new leads.
Some people say yes others say no. People that say no because it's missing the wavy banding,I was pointing out some labled stones out there that Piet and Niel Miller have posted pics of in other threads that show different versions.
As to Aj, I never met, talk, or buy anything from him. Just googled dalmore blue and he came up as having one. In his dicription he said that not all DB had the wavy banding. I was just refering to his statement on that matter. Sorry for any confusion.
This is why i believe so far:
-size is common on that stone(202mmX50mmX17mm)
-grey when dry and green/grey when wet
-around 5k level
-sparkles evenly on whole stone
-very hard like a arkansas
-hard to make slurry (I have a thuri to contrast) but comes out greyish/white
-has very thin banding on the front of the stone(not the top or bottom honing surfaces) going horizontal with the honing surface.(like Niel Miller's top picture) and the back has them to at a slight angle.
-It's about as porous as a #1 washita maybe a little more.
It still smells faintly of old oil so can't really smell it, thanks adrspach as i could not think of anyhing to add.
One more thing to add is when I run my nail on surface. It feels more course than my #1washita but give a better edge.
Pics on the way, thanks for the help everyone. Don't care where it leads, just want to get to the bottom of this.
Israel

Reason why I have asked that often people fix themselves on one desirable hone for them and even when shown other options and sometimes they are even more valuable/rare options they do not listen.
There supposed to be simmilar hone to DB from near by area. If I remember right the name was something like Douglas hone. Sorry do not have one to show but believe thare were 2 people who had example Neil Miller and another member here whose nick I can't remember.
Reason why I have aske dabout the banding is because from what was shown and described it looks to me like Canadian oilstone. Somewhere here on the forum are pictures of it.
The porosity of the hone would also indicate for it.
As with that smell try to rub wet finger wigorously on it and then smell it if you try on different hones they do smell differently depending on what origin they are e.g. sedimentary smells of mud and so on. This often works even when a hone is not completely degreased.

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And some wet pics too. That is a y/g thuri for color comparerison.

Thanks adrspach,
never even heard of douglas hone,but wii definately look into it. Canadian stone i have seen, but will look for more examples. You are first to suggest an alternative, thank you.
I never heard about dalmer blue before this either. First heard of it in a Henk Bos article. Thank you again for the help.
Israel

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I've had a couple of Dalmore Blues (long since gone) and they have variegated color in them.

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Wow Jimmy that one is a stunner, lovely swirls.

I have a Dalmore and love mine, perfect for using just after the Chosera 1k for me as Jimmy said 4-5K ish, mine has swirls and was eay to enough to lap.

I will upload pics of mine later, as its early morning here and not a great deal of day light (Not so sunny UK)

http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...id-please.html

No need for me to upload now I have found my thread above, typical patterns still reminants of oils but hey its old and been used, not as pretty as the one Jimmy had, but I always use mine on every razor.

For me its nice to know what type of hone I have have but its not a big deal if I dont know, more important that I know where and if it fits in my rotation.

i dont mind to offend you , but looks like pierre de Levant to me - a coarser stone .

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Originally Posted by RusenBG

i dont mind to offend you , but looks like pierre de Levant to me - a coarser stone .

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Well it fights very tight to a Pierre Aiguiser Naturelle de Saurat, or a today also called or sold stone as Pierre a Menuiser (Genre Levant)....

Its real difficult because we have different stones with equal names:

Turkey Oilstone (Pierre Du Levant)
Pierre a Menuiser (Genre Levant) which equals a Pierre Naturelle de Saurat
Belgian Levant Stone (Our Levant)

I can add some pics later for clarification.

I mean the Opinel natural stone - Pierre de levant It is grey and grainy . Hybrid between a sandstone and a quartzite
It is mined in france and it is glued to a BBW for knifes Pierre de pyrinees -Pierre à aiguiser spéciale menuisier

Attachment 264706Attachment 264707Attachment 264708 Back from the dead, I have finally broken the code and it feels very good to know. I purchased a lot of seven hones because I was sure one was a natural and it looked big(20 bucs for seven stones). All were in different shades of black,reeked of old oil. Easy off and simple green took care of that. It turns out three of the seven all naturals. 5x2 one I thought was a turkey stone ended up being a tradisional wavy banded dalmore blue, same thickness, same width, and most important same feel as my mistery hone only difference is length but that is not important as it looks like it broke off a piece. Definately a dalmore blue and the mistery is no more, my gut feeling knew I was right.
I could not have done it without all the help I recieved here with peoples sugestions as to a possible identification. A lot of searching just expanded my knowledge so it was very helpfull.
One last thing is I have a course french stone too, so I knew it was not one of those. Mine is very light grey turning light grey/green when wet and a lot softer than the DB and very course and reeks of wet clay when wet(less than 1k grit). So thanks guys one less mistery!

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For comparison stone on left is course stone in the middle is dalmore blue and an right is a fine light tan/ white hindostan stone (has the layers on visible on the sides).