Thread: Fake hones, how common are they?

Originally Posted by DaveW

Your bones are made of eschers!! and they have saw marks on them!!!?

Something tells me that this discussion about hones and bones is going to end with (autocorrect from) phones.

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Originally Posted by Kristian

Well rodb a lot can be done in photoshop with average skills, or google guides.

Paper would work if printet on a laserjet, but everybody got them nowadays.

But the worn and ready to fall off labels I always see would be hard to duplicate, but you are right I wouldn't buy one on ebay with a mint label unless they REALLY had good pictures

Originally Posted by Kristian

Well rodb a lot can be done in photoshop with average skills, or google guides.

Paper would work if printet on a laserjet, but everybody got them nowadays.

Saw marks, can't be duplicated.

When a hone is lapped on the sides, so the sawmarks are gone I wouldn't buy it.

That said a friend of my lapped the sawmarks of, because he simply didn't know better. But in that case, i would try the hone first. [emoji4]


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Why do you say saw marks can't be duplicated? I have looked at many pictures and they don't look that special or different to me.

Originally Posted by 32t

Why do you say saw marks can't be duplicated? I have looked at many pictures and they don't look that special or different to me.

A lot of turn of the century mines had purpose built saws, and one of a kind blades for said saws. Which means the marks tend to be unique to stones coming from that mine. If they haven't been lapped away over the years, the scratches left behind are kind of like a mechanical fingerprint.

Originally Posted by 32t

Why do you say saw marks can't be duplicated? I have looked at many pictures and they don't look that special or different to me.

Yeah really hard to copy those sawmarks, not impossible but it would Be a very hard work

Originally Posted by doorsch

Yeah really hard to copy those sawmarks, not impossible but it would Be a very hard work

Especially on hones that are harder than an Escher

Originally Posted by Butzy

Yeahh, not using the preferred nomenclature but that's what i meant.

As for the images of the hone, here they are...
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Regarding "wanting it to be true" I guess that's up to each person. It looked good in the images available to me, certainly wasn't any 'too good to be true' deal, so I figured I was safe with the buy.
You can't see it in the pictures but the stone was held down with a piece of 3M tape, and the nicks in the bottom of the stone do not match the stone fragments left behind in the box from the original stone being removed.
I do believe that the box and label might be authentic, but the stone itself is rubbish... which is all I really care about tbh.

That hone does not look like an Escher to me. Too shiny, too stripy and no sawmarks. If that was sold as an Escher you were duped.

I'm not so sure saw marks mean much. Saws were not custom made. You bought them according to the type of rock you were sawing or drilling through and the depth and how heavy duty you wanted them. The actual blades were common items. Individual blades were changed very often.

Originally Posted by Kees

That hone does not look like an Escher to me. Too shiny, too stripy and no sawmarks. If that was sold as an Escher you were duped.

Definitely sold as an escher. definitely got duped... lesson learned i suppose.
now for the ethical decision of returning the stone so that someone else gets duped as well...

definitely return, unless you got it cheap and you like it for the price, anyway.

If it shows up on ebay again, you can click on the "report item" button and state your complaint to ebay. They'll (Ebay) probably remove it. I've done that before when things are favorably listed for someone in a way that's really just fraudulent, or where a seller has been informed that something is misleading and then refuses to address it.